10-13-C Rotated Shoulder Turn
 

Remember, guys, the above post
discussed the Rotated Shoulder Turn. It was in response to a question
regarding how to determine the exact amount of Waist Bend necessary to
produce an On Plane Stroke in both directions. However, this Shoulder Turn
requires Zero Axis Tilt and hence Zero Weight Shift. That's fine for the
Backstroke, but it means a Low Power Downstroke. Therefore, it should
be restricted to Short Shots.

The ideal Shoulder Turn is the Standard Variation of 10-13-A. This
involves a Backstroke Turn 'as Flat as possible' back to the Plane,
followed by a Downstroke Turn down the Plane.


The drill of 'shooting the rifle at the Plane Line' on the Downstroke
works for all On Plane Strokes involving Shoulder Turn. It should not
be used to determine the Waist Bend except as described for the Rotated
Shoulder Turn.

Low Power BM#273
 

Your 'winding and unwinding string' image demands a Rotated Shoulder Turn (in
both directions); Zero Axis Tilt; and hence, Zero Weight Shift. This means Low
Power.

So, however else you choose to think of it, what you have described in your
image (as a substitute for Mechanics to produce a correct Feel)
is a Rotated Shoulder Turn (10-16-C) with a Shiftless Hip Turn (10-14-C)
and a Circle Path Delivery (10-23-E).


I would seriously advise playing downwind only. :oops:

No Power Pattern BM#277
 

Your 'winding and unwinding string' image demands a Rotated Shoulder Turn (in
both directions); Zero Axis Tilt; and hence, Zero Weight Shift. This means Low
Power.

So, however else you choose to think of it, what you have described in your
image (as a substitute for Mechanics to produce a correct Feel)
is a Rotated Shoulder Turn (10-16-C) with a Shiftless Hip Turn (10-14-C)
and a Circle Path Delivery (10-23-E).


I would seriously advise playing downwind only. :oops:






No Lynn,
you do not understand my position at all.






Tell me how your 'winding and unwinding string' image differs -- in the least
little bit -- from the Stroke Pattern I have described. At this time, I
respectfully request zero deviation from that assisgned task.

The Rotated Right Shoulder CE#33
 

Brian's thoughtful answer suggested that if you bend over enough you will be able to point your shoulder at the Plane Line in both directions. That is correct.

Your question was "How do you determine the exact amount of waist bend?" Here's how:

Three preliminary thoughts:

First, remember that the Shoulder Turn Component (7-13) refers strictly to the Right Shoulder. There is no geometric control in The Golfing Machine for the Left Shoulder, nor is one needed.

Second, recall that the Rotated Shoulder Turn (10-13-C) is produced by the 'normal' rotation of the Shoulders, i.e., at right angles to the spine.

Third, by definiton, there is no axis tilt permitted. This limits its Downstroke Turn to the Shiftless Hip Turn (10-14-C) and its specialized applications.

Now to your question and how to determine the exact amount of waist bend:

1. Get your Driver.

2. Standing about Driver distance from the Ball, think of the Driver as a hunting rifle. Put the Clubhead into your Right Shoulder and hold the Club just as you would aim a rifle. Get the Feel of the Rotated Shoulder Turn at first just by keeping your rifle barrel level with the ground, and turn from left to right and back again, over and over, getting the Feel of the perfectly level shoulder rotation. Pretend you're in a carnival shooting gallery and you are knocking off ducks at various points on the never-ending line of the conveyer belt. Make sure you are taking 'dead aim' by sighting directly down the 'rifle barrel' using your right eye.

3. Once you've got this motion down pat -- should take less than a minute! -- we need to move off the horizontal plane and onto the exact Rotated Shoulder Plane. So...

Keeping the 'butt' of your 'rifle' into your right shoulder -- and not dropping your arms in the slightest. Careful, this is the tendency! The 'rifle' must remain in the same relation with the Right Shoulder as it did in the horizontal drill above -- bend forward from the waist until you are 'aiming' your rifle (the butt-end of the Club) directly at the Plane Line.

This is the exact amount of waist bend you need to accomodate the On Plane Rotated Shoulder Turn in both directions.

Taking this a little farther, after you've located the exact waist bend, get the Feel of the On Plane Rotated Shoulder Turn motion by rotating the shoulders (at right angles to the spine) the same way you did when you were 'aiming' in the horizontal plane, but this time 'aim the rifle' at the Plane line and 'Trace' it in both directions of the turn.

Summarizing:

1. To determine the exact waist bend, 'shoot' the Plane Line with your 'Right Shoulder rifle.'

2. To maintain the Right Shoulder on its Rotated Shoulder Plane, 'Trace' the Plane Line with your 'rifle barrel!'