To all concerned: This is my last post concerning extensor action as defined by Homer Kelley. At any point in the backswing or downswing, you can stop the swing and apply HK extensor action, which is an isometric force; but the elbow at that time would neither be bending nor straightening, and the left arm and cocked or uncocked left wrist would be frozen in time and space. The millisecond that the elbow bends or straightens there can be no extensor action as defined in TGM, whatever pp is involved. That's my story and and sticking to it, and I'm only correct if you believe in internationally accepted theories concerning muscles and bones. Please remember that gravity and evolution are theories too, Coophitter
I am new to this site. Help me understand. What is a "hitter" and what is a "swinger? Give me some examples of pro's and what type they are. Hogan? Tiger? Els? Watson? etc.
I am new to this site. Help me understand. What is a "hitter" and what is a "swinger? Give me some examples of pro's and what type they are. Hogan? Tiger? Els? Watson? etc.
Generally speaking:
Swingers use their right shoulder in the downswing to act as a flywheel that spins and throws the club out with centrifugal force, a transferring momentum and a whirling of the club. The Swinger drags the grip end down plane, similar to pulling a rope. The Swinger’s right arm is somewhat passive, unless you are using the Right Arm to Swing (where the right elbow becomes the center of the motion rather then the left shoulder).
Swingers use a quick start down and just maintain the constant motion of Centrifugal force thru impact. “Once started, just stay ahead of it”.
Hitters, on the other hand, use the right arm to actively drive out the club and left arm, using the right shoulder as a backstop or launching pad. The right arm muscular thrust and active right elbow drives and pushes the club like an ax handle.
Hitters need to use a slow start down, but the feeling is that the club is always accelerating and driving thru the ball.
Both are extremely effective procedures. However, mixing the two, trying to do both at the same time is not recommended (some may disagree with me on this one). Centrifugal force, which is a constant force, does not like to be disrupted by ever increasing muscular thrust of hitting (vice-versa). You can pull or push. Pick one or the other, not both.
The Geometry looks similar for both, but the Physics (Pulling, Pushing) feels completely different. If you have a copy of TGM reference 6-H-0.
I am new to this site. Help me understand. What is a "hitter" and what is a "swinger? Give me some examples of pro's and what type they are. Hogan? Tiger? Els? Watson? etc.
I am new to this site. Help me understand. What is a "hitter" and what is a "swinger? Give me some examples of pro's and what type they are. Hogan? Tiger? Els? Watson? etc.
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Sometimes SMOOTH HITTERS can be difficult to detect, but Craig Stadler is a Hitter, and I would think J.B. Holmes is as well. Larry Nelson, has also been identified as a hitter by Mr. Yoda.
Swingers... Fred Couples, John Daly, Davis Love, Tiger Woods, Ernie Els... most of the tour players are Swingers.
The list given by tongzilla of Hitting and Swinging factors looks good.
I am new to this site. Help me understand. What is a "hitter" and what is a "swinger? Give me some examples of pro's and what type they are. Hogan? Tiger? Els? Watson? etc.
Wonderful answers by all.....so why am I following up?
Long backswing- swinger, everytime.
Short(er) backswing- Hitter, most of the time.
Are you pulling the shaft with the left hand and letting the transfer roll of the left hand switch ends of the club? You are Swinging. You believe in the laws of nature and Newton and allow the clubhead and face to sqaure itself. WHIRL and BLUR. Have faith brother and find your ball postion.
Or,
Do you have a slight pivot and a right arm that pushes the shaft and drives the clubhead through the ball with the right arm becoming fully extended after your ball position? SEEK and DESTROY.
Each are golf moves and both look smooth and graceful - it is a power application.
The Clubface,
Swinger's roll on the plane line (flat ground line). The toe rotates over the heel- a good old fashion Horizontal Hinge Action and if you are new, hold on to your hat and get some sunglasses - it will get very bright in here.
Hitter's do not roll the face or even think much about a hinge action. They get one built in to stroke- an angle hinge action. As the clubhead drives to low point beyond the ball to the target aalong the plane line (where the right arm straightens to), the face is slightly open (angled) and heading toward second base. Once again find your ball position.
Each stroke has its angle of attack to the ball- Swinger's whirling arc and a Hitter's visual straight line smash.
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