If the Hands go up and down, and the Pivot goes back and forth, then are the Hands monitoring both paths simultaneously?
If I may ask one more question:
Isn't Down-plane a Path?
If I may ask one more question. I don't want to be annoying.
If my hands go up and down and my Pivot goes back and forth, then if they precisely move 1" at a time then their path will be down and out at a 45 degree angle to the ground. That's not the question. The question is, If my Pivot is moving back and Forth, then whats moving my shoulder up and down to support the Hands?
Daryl- for non pivot strokes I just use acc #1. Also, from about 65 yards and in I'm a hitter.
Last edited by garagefan66 : 11-04-2009 at 09:51 PM.
Daryl- for non pivot strokes I just use acc #1. Also, from about 65 yards and in I'm a hitter.
Garagefan
D wont understand that Hitting thing, no worries. But congratulations, though your selected patterns and Release types may change over time you are now in charge of your motion. Keep working on it, it will evolve as it does for everyone and forever. Hogan was experimenting till the day he couldnt hit anymore I have read. Such is golf life. There is golf joy in your future. You're young and if Hitting no doubt devilishly good looking like the rest of us.
You're a crack up O.B.!
Thanks for all the help. I'm really digging the hammering/uncocking motion. I just don't trust it on the short shots and the occasional iron shot. I sure am bombing that driver though.
Hitting short shots is just too easy. I would hit full time if I could but I just can't generate enough power without throwaway. Also, it's pretty easy to switch back and forth between hitting and swinging because I use adjusted address hitting. And, because they're short shots I don't have to worry so much about stopping at top or slow start down. No problemo.
I go back and forth myself. Most of the time out of desperation. I won the Club C Swinging and the finals of the Match Play Hitting. Even then I probably had some different patterns in play. chipping or putting, cant remember.
I like to think Im on the path to my own singular pattern. Which if I had to guess right now would be a very late Random Sweep, Right Arm Throw from Adjusted Address with a Lagging Takeaway and Float Loading. Call me crazy but though Im a thruster I just love that feeling of Lag. Id look like a swinger but sneak in the thrust at the bottom.
Options are what its all about maybe as there is no one best way. Hogan was not Jones, Jack was not Hogan, Tiger is not Jack, Daryl is not Tiger etc......
The "one way or the highway" advocates may have a good method for some but not one that will allow everyone to reach their full potential.
Homer and Lynn are all about options I think. Lynn converted me to a Hitter for crying out loud then when I saw him the next time he was making me delock everything and let it flow but with a Right Arm Throw and sometimes a Left Wrist Throw just for kicks. He took me to fringes of the spectrum and then brought me back to the middle and even across to the other side even.
I probably asked him about ten times what he thought my pattern should be. He would never give me a straight answer, kept saying something like "well start with 12-1 or 12-2, I see more 12-1 there already maybe but play around with things......". It is my journey I guess although there is assistance when needed.
In Lynn's first ever conversation with Homer he tried to get Homer to critique double anchor, saggy knees. Homer wouldnt say anything bad about it. Talked some about the effects of it but would not label it as an inferior component variation. As an aside Nelson did it after all.
I go back and forth myself. Most of the time out of desperation. I won the Club C Swinging and the finals of the Match Play Hitting. Even then I probably had some different patterns in play. chipping or putting, cant remember.
I like to think Im on the path to my own singular pattern. Which if I had to guess right now would be a very late Random Sweep, Right Arm Throw from Adjusted Address with a Lagging Takeaway and Float Loading. Call me crazy but though Im a thruster I just love that feeling of Lag. Id look like a swinger but sneak in the thrust at the bottom.
But if that didnt work I'd.........
That's impressive.
Does your Hitting feel more like a compact motion and your Swinging a little looser? Or are they closer together than that? I would imagine you use as many similar component variations as possible, but maybe you want them as different as possible?
I guess its normally divided by just the Throw Im using. Left Wrist or Right Arm. But I will sometimes change my grip pressure, hit from Fix, Angle of Approach etc. Every week is different, every day is different maybe even. Heck I saw Lynn walk a line of balls Melhourne Style alternating Hitting and Swinging without pausing between shots, continuous motion. I do this as a warm up drill sometimes just altering the Throw. It isnt hard to do really.
Im going to work on delaying the Random Sweep Release and try to get Automatic. TBD. I love the feeling of the lagging takeaway with a Float Load. So I guess its pretty loose to answer your question Hitting or Swinging. Although if you ever say "loose" in this connection when with Lynn, you'll get a stern look and a lecture. I did in front of Luke one time and he was sort of chuckling as Lynn said "there is nothing loose about it.......a universal joint is free to move in certain manners but it is in no way loose. " etc. Lets say "free" instead so there is no implication of a faulty connection. Im trying to remember but didnt Jeff Hull say "loose" in one of his movies with Lynn? Cant remember what the response was from Lynn. Its worth a look. Ah where was I, yes, free as I tend to go to End for both and float load the #3pp at the Knuckle as opposed to Top with a #3 at the first joint. Swingers startdown I guess.
Although I do get locked up sometimes and lose the Lag Loading. Im trying to rid myself of that. Its a day to day kind a deal as its an old bad habit of mine. Tight wrists, loose grip pressure instead of vice versa like I want them. Lynn would call this being too "wooden". "Hitting does not have to be wooden" says he. When I get all locked up I actually get really long, overly long even. Lots of hand lifting, turning and little lag loading. Thats the old me coming back to haunt me.
I had a sore back last week, like get out of your car reach into the trunk to grab your bag and then slide right on down onto the pavement bad back. I still played though after some stretching and some advils but couldnt turn my Shoulders or Tilt the Axis very much. First few holes I kept my feet very close together and just bent and extended my right arm. Sort of like Push basic full shots although as I loosened up I was able to Pivot a little bit and employ more of a Punch Elbow deal. My buddies are very compassionate types.... they still wanted 10 strokes off me. After I loosened (freed myself) up I started to Hit some really good shots and got back into the game. I didnt lose in the end.
So I guess Im maybe employing more variations than normal although my buds think I look pretty much the same every day. The other possibility is that Im insane. This I will need to do some thinking on too. I'm going to consult Bucket and MIke O and get some solid feedback from them on that one.
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