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Old 05-09-2010, 08:37 PM
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What is this "Load and Throw" tendency all about? It is a real problem. I have a pal who loads like Hogan but immediately tosses it all away. He's so close to golfing bliss. And so far away too. Im guilty of it too unless Im swinging at dandelions in my yard. Put the ball in front of me and I toss it. Homer said that most pro's are in the process of throwing the club, they're just better at it. He had some exceptions of course, Trevino for one.

Why do we not sustain the Lag Pressure when confronted with the ball? There must be a cure. Staying away from #3 pressure is like staying away from love, isnt it?
This is the big one for me.

This is entire post defines my problem in a nut shell.

I can practice swing with drag loading with no problem
I can practice swing with float loading with no problem
I can actually swing with float loading with no problem
I cannot actually swing with drag loading without going OTT
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:12 PM
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by grantc79 View Post
The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.

The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.

You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.

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Hi innercityteacher,

I have no idea what "throwing the vertical hinge down" means.

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.

The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.

You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.
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Thank you for the compliment.

For some reason float loading just makes sense to me. My entire body feels very relaxed up to the top and I know as soon as I get the club up there I can just let everything drop and turn like crazy.

What had me struggling horribly was sensing the #3 PP at the top and having it do what I wanted it to rather than what it wanted to (which was hit me in the back of the head).

With float loading I can make it stay, move under plane, or move over plane at will.



That said, I'm still not quite sure how to get that right shoulder more down plane.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:15 PM
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Another fun thing about this is with a normal drag load or drive load I'm not so noisy.

As soon as I started experimenting with the float loading and accepting that huge lag load onto #3 PP without dumping it got very, very noisy in my garage.

It literally sounds like war is being waged in my garage at impact.

It is a very, very loud crack. Told my wife who can actually hear it in the bedroom now over the TV and she's like "that is a good thing right?"



Just took another video of my swing with a line placed on my shoulder at address and I'm maybe getting one inch under that line at impact.

Any ideas as to how to get more I am all ears.
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:37 PM
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The Drills video-uncocking the left wrist.
Here is the video:



Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.

The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.

You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.

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Hi innercityteacher,

I have no idea what "throwing the vertical hinge down" means.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher View Post
Here is the video:

Yoda is saying that some people make the mistake "in Thinking" that the purpose of Uncocking the Left Wrist is to make the club head move forward toward the target (a Forward Motion). Thinking this way invites trouble because it's a major cause of Bending the Left Wrist.

He further states that "Changing your perception of the Left Wrist Cocking and Uncocking Motion" is the first step in correcting the problem.

Yoda says that Cocking and Uncocking is a Vertical Motion; Up and down, like when you hammer a nail. If you tilt the Plane, as in the Golf Swing, the motion is still up and down (vertical). Changing the Plane Angle does not change the fact that Uncocking is a Vertical Motion.

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I think that you are saying, that you discovered, that an accentuated Hip Slide causes you to create a more Downward Swing motion and that it causes a more downward throw-out of the Clubhead when the Left Wrist Uncocks.

If you'll pardon the analogy, I think that you and Yoda are in the same "Chapter" but not on the same "Page.

You're mistaking his video as a "Directive" to find a way of creating a Downward Blow. That's the first Mistake. The second mistake is thinking that the Pivot controls the Hands.

It's a long and arduous journey. But, we've chosen the "Red Pill", and our only solution is greater understanding.

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Old 05-10-2010, 09:40 AM
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That is looking really good Grant. Thats an amazing change.

Like D, I see the Float changing the Plane in a good way. And in regard to Yoda's vertical only left hand uncocking video, Id suggest its a slight Horizontal motion to your left wrist cocking that is the problem. So Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and uncock is the issue to my eye, which has implications to your Plane of Motion, Inclined Plane.

Think of it this way............the left arm is above the Inclined Plane at Top and the club lays flat on the Inclined Plane ideally, unless you are taking lessons from Tigers coach. This vertical only wrist cocking will/should see some bend in the left wrist at fully cocked, do it in front of you with one hand to see for yourself. You have a flat left wrist at Top , literally flat, a horizontal motion and the shaft is inline with your left arm as opposed to laying on the Inclined Plane. Then when you float you re align the shaft to the Inclined Plane and your left arm can be seen to be above it again. All is right with the world.

Thats what I see anyways. Its not big by any means. Without re planing it you'd probably bounce over ......like Tiger was doing at the Masters.

The added power would be from a later hit , more right elbow bend later in the swing.




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Old 05-10-2010, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Yoda is saying that some people make the mistake "in Thinking" that the purpose of Uncocking the Left Wrist is to make the club head move forward toward the target (a Horizontal Motion). Thinking this way invites trouble because it's a major cause of Bending the Left Wrist.

He further states that "Changing your perception of the Left Wrist Cocking and Uncocking Motion" is the first step in correcting the problem.

Yoda says that Cocking and Uncocking is a Vertical Motion; Up and down, like when you hammer a nail. If you tilt the Plane, as in the Golf Swing, the motion is still up and down (vertical). Changing the Plane Angle does not change the fact that Uncocking is a Vertical Motion.

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I think that you are saying, that you discovered, that an accentuated Hip Slide causes you to create a more Downward Swing motion and that it causes a more downward throw-out of the Clubhead when the Left Wrist Uncocks.

If you'll pardon the analogy, I think that you and Yoda are in the same "Chapter" but not on the same "Page.

You're mistaking his video as a "Directive" to find a way of creating a Downward Blow. That's the first Mistake. The second mistake is thinking that the Pivot controls the Hands.

It's a long and arduous journey. But, we've chosen the "Red Pill", and our only solution is greater understanding.
Thanks, Darly. You are correct. I did read Yoda as saying that more power and shot-making ability would result in sending the left hand down-plane with gusto.

It felt pretty good whether the hips were leading or the right forearm was pushing down on the wrist to produce the vertical motion. I was hoping such a vertical release would keep me on the inclined plane making me a better golfer (younger looking and popular, too).

And, I do want the understanding given the correct presuppositions of G.O.L.F
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher View Post
Thanks, Darly. You are correct. I did read Yoda as saying that more power and shot-making ability would result in sending the left hand down-plane with gusto.

It felt pretty good whether the hips were leading or the right forearm was pushing down on the wrist to produce the vertical motion. I was hoping such a vertical release would keep me on the inclined plane making me a better golfer (younger looking and popular, too).

And, I do want the understanding given the correct presuppositions of G.O.L.F


It is true that sending the Uncocking Motion Downplane (vertical motion) will make you a better Golfer. You are correct and Yoda IMHO would completely agree. If you're not sure that you hit down, then assume you didn't.

I also completely agree with you that this will make you feel younger, have a more positive attitude, make you better looking, and popular and have almost any girl you want. Look what it did for Tiger Woods.
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