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Old 01-11-2011, 09:47 AM
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You're right OB,

I manipulate. And the more I play the more I manipulate it seems. It's usually about hitting it low, trying to produce a shallow angle of attack and taking out the hook. I find those three demands hard to combine, but from time to time I am successful.

But there are times when I am looking for a high draw. And then I deliberately leave it to CF in good time before the ball.
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Old 01-11-2011, 10:40 AM
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"Manipulation" means to Align the Clubface by Rotating the Club in your Grip. It doesn't mean doing funny things with your hands. "Manipulation" and "amount" are determined at Set-up.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:26 PM
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Thanks Daryl,

I learned something new there.

I have a fight with CF when I try to hit a low ball. Keeping them hands ahead of the clubhead and moving fast in an effort to avoid the hook. And I probably flatten the plane as well.

It works now and then but I think my intentions have flaws. I get far to many shots with hookspin.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
You're right OB,

I manipulate. And the more I play the more I manipulate it seems. It's usually about hitting it low, trying to produce a shallow angle of attack and taking out the hook. I find those three demands hard to combine, but from time to time I am successful.

But there are times when I am looking for a high draw. And then I deliberately leave it to CF in good time before the ball.

At the risk of being off topic.

I think we all manipulate .......a lot. Even when we think we're not, its just a very familiar feeling that we've learned , ingrained. A feeling that has a little manipulation here and there that we dont recognize.

He BerntR: What are the implications of True Swinging to the Golfers Flail are we back to the farmers flail? What about the hands as educated clamps? Are they now uneducated leather strips or strings?

Does a true swinger shift planes? That'd be a manipulation wouldnt it? Non auto release? Snap or ? What about the right arm pickup? Can a True Swinger "manipulate" with his Pivot and ARms but not with his Hands?

I personally see Homer as sometimes categorized things logically as if by deduction. A range from one extreme to the other. Black to White. Full Sweep Release to Snap. Total Manipulation to Zero Manipulation although he didnt really do this one. Some times these designations at the extremes get kind of "ungolf" like, logical though they are. Like Snap Loading......dont think Ive seen that one on a golf course for Total Motion. These sorts of things used to bug me but they dont anymore, in fact Ive learned to love the logic of it all.

Perhaps with True Swinging we are approaching a logical but uncommon extreme at one end of a spectrum. Whereas most of us reside somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, again. As is common in most things.

Hogan approached the extremes of human potential in a couple of categories. So beautiful ......but beyond the capability of all but a few mechanically. So to your recent point about such matters.......we must know our own capabilities and strengths and weaknesses and aspire to make the best out of our best attributes. If not for the logic of this , Homer would have written another book describing how to swing like Hogan. Only. Its in there but there's much much more in there too. For all of us who reside in the middle.

It could be that there is no such thing as True Swinger by Homers definition of things......I dont know. We'll find out. Maybe you can approach it but not really get all the way there. Thats what Im currently thinking. Despite the fact True Swinging accounts for half the words in that particular paragraph from 7-2 GRIP TYPES. Yup Grip Types.......Grip Rotation is what were really talking about ......only Homer could do this to my head and in so few words.

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Old 01-11-2011, 03:52 PM
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What a great post OB

You certainly put things in perspective here.

Yes - TGM is theoretical and black'n white. That's one of the beauties of this beast, isn't it?

For instance I love the differentiation between swinging and hitting when it comes to shot making, as discussed in this thread. I use some of these things on every round to shape shots. The principles work. Not that I'm successful all the time....
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:13 PM
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Thanks Bernt

Black and White and all the shades in between.

Happy King Knute Day, by the way. We celebrated yesterday, a few days early......that tree had to go man. No needles left on it. Threw it out the door.

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