I just finished readign through the Golfing Machine and have already started my study of the material.
My questions are in regard to PA#1 Hand Path on the down swing and aiming point. I feel my best contact came when I felt my right hand pulling the club down from the top, I feel the pressure in PP #1 in the first half fo the down swing and then I loos the feeling of it it is possible the club starts to travel faster than my hand?
TGM says the hand path is "straight down" from the top. Does that mean straight down parallel to the force of gravity or straight down the swing plane?
Where is the aiming point supposed to be and how am I supposed to get there exactly.
I just finished readign through the Golfing Machine and have already started my study of the material.
My questions are in regard to PA#1 Hand Path on the down swing and aiming point. I feel my best contact came when I felt my right hand pulling the club down from the top, I feel the pressure in PP #1 in the first half fo the down swing and then I loos the feeling of it it is possible the club starts to travel faster than my hand?
TGM says the hand path is "straight down" from the top. Does that mean straight down parallel to the force of gravity or straight down the swing plane?
Where is the aiming point supposed to be and how am I supposed to get there exactly.
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For ease of Q&A, Yoda's comments are bolded below in your editedQuoted Post:
TGM in discussing the Plane of Motion (2-F) defines the Plane Angle and Planeline. These are defined for purpose of the this discussion as the longitudinalcenter of gravity, the line ofthe pull of Centrifugal Force. The sweet spot ofthe club is this point.
This as I see it would be
a. A straight line from the sweet spot to the center (internal) of theclubshaft butt
The Line of Pull is through the #3 Pressure Point, not the Clubshaft butt.
b. For any given club, the physical lie angle would be more upright than thisPlane Angle as defined.
True, but only because this is a static alignment of the soled Club.Remember, the reason Clubs have rounded soles and heels is to permit theiralignment with any of the Basic (Elbow to Shoulder) Plane Angles(10-6-A/B/C/D).
With a Turned Shoulder Plane, for example (10-6-B and 10-13-D), the Magic ofthe Right Forearm/Elbow Action executing the Three-Dimensional Backstroketakes the Sweet Spot immediately Up, Back, and In. This Plane has atotally separate identity (Component Variation) than that of theClubshaft Plane. And only by successfully executing the Three-Dimensional Backstrokeis there any hope of similarly delivering the Club Down, Out and Forwardon the Three Dimensional Downstroke.
d. If golf clubs were constructed with a center shaft instead of heel shaft,the sweet spot would lie in line with the center of the shaft but forward set(depends upon weight distribution and actual location of the shaft to the clubhead).
To compensate for their shorter length, Club manufacturersdeliberately locate the Sweet Spot of the shorter Clubs toward the middle oftheir wider face and thus more behind the leading edge than with thelonger Clubs. This enables the Clubface to 'square' sooner and thus toproduce a straightaway Ball Flight even though the shorter Club has reached itsIn-Line Condition sooner (than the 'long' Clubs with the same 'Release Point'Feel).
Now what does any of this have to do with the location the golf ball is placein reference to the golfer? Ball location must be defined by other than thesweet spot of the golf club.
Correct. Ball Location should be defined by the Low Point (1-L #13 and2-N-0) and the Aiming Point (Thrust Direction 6-E-2) in relation to theOrbiting Sweet Spot.
Now the golf shaft, is there really a kick that we are trying to time prior toimpact of the ball? High kick point, low kick point, etc. don't they reallyjust effect trajectory assuming the shaft is loaded at impact? And don't wewant a loaded shaft at impact else we would be decreasing head speed if not?
The 'Secret' of golf is to maintain the Clubhead Lag. Bydefinition, this is the stress placed on the Clubshaft -- thedifferential between the #3 Pressure Point and the lagging Sweet Spot.This differential must be maintained through Impact, through the AimingPoint, through the Low Point and through the Down PlaneFollow-Through to the both Arms Straight Position (8-11) and even into theFinish. Accordingly, 'Right Timing' is defined in 6-F-1. Only byexperimentation can the optimal flexes be determined for any given player.
Thanks in advance
You're welcome, Martee!
Keep asking questions!
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I would rather hit, but when I feel the snap relase I strike the ball better.
Nem, I had my foursome freak once I locked my wedges down and Hit. I was loose on the front 9 and shot a wind-blown 48. Once I locked the wedges, they were like, "how did you do that," and what alien life force just took over your body?"
If I could've sunk a put I'd been 3 under on the back! The Hitting motion with the Angled Hinge is perfect for my old growth, relatively short course. The Angled Hinge lands softly and stays in the fairways! Stops on the greens, too.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I would rather hit, but when I feel the snap relase I strike the ball better.
Mr. Kelley's significant genius was his complete understanding of the right arm's participation in the golf stroke....the particular components of the right arm being the right elbow and right forearm and their alignment.
Power Accumulator #1 is the bending and unbending of the right elbow...where and how this occurs will define your stroke essentially....the positioning of the elbow in relationship to the hip will define the Stroke Basic...the alignment of the right forearm will largely define your procedure Hitting or Swinging and the release type & hinging inherent in you selected (hopefully) procedure....the "power" of the right arm is applied through the #1 Pressure Point (butt of the right hand as connected to the left thumb)....The release sequence is always 4 (left arm across the chest) 1 (right elbow) 2 (left wrist cock) 3 ("roll" of the left arm and club or primary lever assembly)....#1 and it's alignment generally define your release type Sequenced vs. Simultaneous.
To get a feel for this get a long dowel or split your hands pretty wide on your golf club....with your split grip reherse your procedures....first make it your intention to pull the club (sweetspot) down with your split grip...note how the right elbow will pitch more...the face of the club will lay on the plane longer...your hands will be in "karate chop" alignment longer...your right shoulder will work more "vertically down"...your right forearm will be aligned to PULL.....
Now change your procedure with a split grip...focus on DRIVING/PUSHING the sweetspot OUT to the plane line...compare the alignment of your right forearm....your elbow will be more "behind" the sweetspot in alignment that allows the right forearm to PUSH the sweetspot....as a result you see the release more "simultaneous"...the face will not lay on the plane as long...the toe of the club will "throw over" earlier...the face will look more "closed" at the delivery point than with swinging...the sweetspot is aligned in this fashion because it is being PUSHED out to the plane line...notice how your right shoulder (dual agent-part of the pivot and power package) works....your right shoulder will remain "higher" ... it will not move as vertical in its trajectory...it will stay higher and move out to the plane line quicker....supporting the pushing from your right elbow and right forearm...
With this exercise you will be able to feel the difference in the alignment and motion of the right arm (elbow/forearm) and how this effects the release type, pivot, rate of release of #2 and #3, alignment of the sweetspot...
Experiment with doing this split grip exercise on different plane angles as well...you'll learn how the righ arm very much controls the plane angle as well as the pivot that must comply to the plane....on the steeper planes you'll note that your right humerous will be "lifted" of your torso (Nicklaus)...where as with the flatter planes the right humerous will align itself closer to torso to comply with the plane....experiment with both procedures on different plane angles.
Mr. Kelley's significant genius was his complete understanding of the right arm's participation in the golf stroke....the particular components of the right arm being the right elbow and right forearm and their alignment.
Power Accumulator #1 is the bending and unbending of the right elbow...where and how this occurs will define your stroke essentially....the positioning of the elbow in relationship to the hip will define the Stroke Basic...the alignment of the right forearm will largely define your procedure Hitting or Swinging and the release type & hinging inherent in you selected (hopefully) procedure....the "power" of the right arm is applied through the #1 Pressure Point (butt of the right hand as connected to the left thumb)....The release sequence is always 4 (left arm across the chest) 1 (right elbow) 2 (left wrist cock) 3 ("roll" of the left arm and club or primary lever assembly)....#1 and it's alignment generally define your release type Sequenced vs. Simultaneous.
To get a feel for this get a long dowel or split your hands pretty wide on your golf club....with your split grip reherse your procedures....first make it your intention to pull the club (sweetspot) down with your split grip...note how the right elbow will pitch more...the face of the club will lay on the plane longer...your hands will be in "karate chop" alignment longer...your right shoulder will work more "vertically down"...your right forearm will be aligned to PULL.....
Now change your procedure with a split grip...focus on DRIVING/PUSHING the sweetspot OUT to the plane line...compare the alignment of your right forearm....your elbow will be more "behind" the sweetspot in alignment that allows the right forearm to PUSH the sweetspot....as a result you see the release more "simultaneous"...the face will not lay on the plane as long...the toe of the club will "throw over" earlier...the face will look more "closed" at the delivery point than with swinging...the sweetspot is aligned in this fashion because it is being PUSHED out to the plane line...notice how your right shoulder (dual agent-part of the pivot and power package) works....your right shoulder will remain "higher" ... it will not move as vertical in its trajectory...it will stay higher and move out to the plane line quicker....supporting the pushing from your right elbow and right forearm...
With this exercise you will be able to feel the difference in the alignment and motion of the right arm (elbow/forearm) and how this effects the release type, pivot, rate of release of #2 and #3, alignment of the sweetspot...
Experiment with doing this split grip exercise on different plane angles as well...you'll learn how the righ arm very much controls the plane angle as well as the pivot that must comply to the plane....on the steeper planes you'll note that your right humerous will be "lifted" of your torso (Nicklaus)...where as with the flatter planes the right humerous will align itself closer to torso to comply with the plane....experiment with both procedures on different plane angles.
Awesome post Bucket. What was it Homer said? "You can not accelerate Longitudinally and Radially at the same time. You can not run in a straight line and a circle at the same time". Something like that.
Drag Loading and Drive Loading are mutually exclusive.
Mr. Kelley's significant genius was his complete understanding of the right arm's participation in the golf stroke....the particular components of the right arm being the right elbow and right forearm and their alignment.
Power Accumulator #1 is the bending and unbending of the right elbow...where and how this occurs will define your stroke essentially....the positioning of the elbow in relationship to the hip will define the Stroke Basic...the alignment of the right forearm will largely define your procedure Hitting or Swinging and the release type & hinging inherent in you selected (hopefully) procedure....the "power" of the right arm is applied through the #1 Pressure Point (butt of the right hand as connected to the left thumb)....The release sequence is always 4 (left arm across the chest) 1 (right elbow) 2 (left wrist cock) 3 ("roll" of the left arm and club or primary lever assembly)....#1 and it's alignment generally define your release type Sequenced vs. Simultaneous.
To get a feel for this get a long dowel or split your hands pretty wide on your golf club....with your split grip reherse your procedures....first make it your intention to pull the club (sweetspot) down with your split grip...note how the right elbow will pitch more...the face of the club will lay on the plane longer...your hands will be in "karate chop" alignment longer...your right shoulder will work more "vertically down"...your right forearm will be aligned to PULL.....
Now change your procedure with a split grip...focus on DRIVING/PUSHING the sweetspot OUT to the plane line...compare the alignment of your right forearm....your elbow will be more "behind" the sweetspot in alignment that allows the right forearm to PUSH the sweetspot....as a result you see the release more "simultaneous"...the face will not lay on the plane as long...the toe of the club will "throw over" earlier...the face will look more "closed" at the delivery point than with swinging...the sweetspot is aligned in this fashion because it is being PUSHED out to the plane line...notice how your right shoulder (dual agent-part of the pivot and power package) works....your right shoulder will remain "higher" ... it will not move as vertical in its trajectory...it will stay higher and move out to the plane line quicker....supporting the pushing from your right elbow and right forearm...
With this exercise you will be able to feel the difference in the alignment and motion of the right arm (elbow/forearm) and how this effects the release type, pivot, rate of release of #2 and #3, alignment of the sweetspot...
Experiment with doing this split grip exercise on different plane angles as well...you'll learn how the righ arm very much controls the plane angle as well as the pivot that must comply to the plane....on the steeper planes you'll note that your right humerous will be "lifted" of your torso (Nicklaus)...where as with the flatter planes the right humerous will align itself closer to torso to comply with the plane....experiment with both procedures on different plane angles.
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So much here.
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