One thing I discovered about training devices is that they don't in themselves fix anything. You can't expect to start working with something and all the sudden wake up with an incredible swing. The "generic" type swing aids just have never helped me.
I have found they are only useful if you are working on 1 particular thing, like having a flat left wrist. Then they can provide useful feedback during your practise sessions. I think the simpler to use the better...
Keith
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Right on, Keith.
Only when the correct Mechanic and its precision Alignments have been identified can you successfully Translate that Mechanic to its Feel Equivalent (Chapter 3). This is Homer Kelley's Star System of Golf: "Let Mechanics produce and Feel reproduce" (1-J).
Ideally, this Component Translation is accomplished under the trained eye of a competent Instructor. However, in lieu of that Instructor -- or in addition to that Instructor -- there are a handful of useful 'feedback' tools that will assist in the correct Translation.
Unfortunately, there are also many such devices that do not deliver the promised goods. Worse yet, they often do deliver the promised goods, but the goods don't work and are often counterproductive! At the 2005 PGA Merchandise Show this past week, I saw plenty of both types.
It occurs to me that it would make a terrific little video just to demonstrate some of these things: To explain what they purport to do and then show why that purpose is just so much nonsense. It would be kind of an Andy Rooney 60 Minutes thing. The problem with the idea is that, once the manufacturers got wind of my purpose, a demo product would suddenly be in short supply!
I bought a Wrist Tac-Tic at the PGA Merchandise Show and one for the Left Elbow as well. With the Elbow version, the 'click' indicates a loss of Extensor Action. I'm looking forward to seeing students apply both very soon!
Yoda HELP!!!!
I am now confused about the flat left wrist! As a swinger, in reading my book, specifically 4-D-1 about the double wristcock, 10-18-B. it looks like to me tha the left wrist is not flat on the top. The book also states that it is limited to True centrifugal force swings. If this is the case would the tic tac not be a good aid to someone who swings like this?
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Do they still sell the tic-tac with the Ben Doyle instruction tape? Needless to say, Ben uses the tic-tac in many different ways. I'll bring it along in April if you don't have it. I'll watch it tonight and report on what he does with it.
Another point: I feel that the right bent wrist is responsible for the flat left wrist and not the other way around. If I remember, Ben used the tac on his right hand to have an audio sense of the right bending.
mike
Nobody knows more about Ben Doyle's teaching techniques than one of our own Professional Contributors,Brian Manzella. A PGA member since 1989, Brian has been in golf's teaching crucible for the past 22 years. His results-oriented teaching earned him recognition in 2003 as the PGA Kentucky Section Teacher of the Year. He is also an Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine and holds its highest designation, Doctor, Golf Stroke Engineering (GSED).
Brian, could you help us out a bit here with regards to Ben's use of the Tac-Tic? And any tips of your own would also be appreciated.
Ben Doyle appears in the VHS tape that accompanies the Tac-Tic training aid. I will post info about how Ben uses Tac-Tic when I view the tape, hopefully tonight or tomorrow.
Do they still sell the tic-tac with the Ben Doyle instruction tape? Needless to say, Ben uses the tic-tac in many different ways. I'll bring it along in April if you don't have it. I'll watch it tonight and report on what he does with it.
Another point: I feel that the right bent wrist is responsible for the flat left wrist and not the other way around. If I remember, Ben used the tac on his right hand to have an audio sense of the right bending.
mike
Nobody knows more about Ben Doyle's teaching techniques than one of our own Professional Contributors,Brian Manzella. A PGA member since 1989, Brian has been in golf's teaching crucible for the past 22 years. His results-oriented teaching earned him recognition in 2003 as the PGA Kentucky Section Teacher of the Year. He is also an Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine and holds its highest designation, Doctor, Golf Stroke Engineering (GSED).
Brian, could you help us out a bit here with regards to Ben's use of the Tac-Tic? And any tips of your own would also be appreciated.
Thanks!
Bentley J. Doyle LOVES the tac-tic.
So do I.
The ability to KNOW you HAVE or HAVE NOT changed your address hands into IMPACT HANDS on the backswing, or that you have taken your impact hands from the top and 'un-twisted' them into address hands on the way to imapct is what Ben uses the device for.
I can't really visualize by the picture how the Power Click is supposed to work. I am assuming it's something like the TacTic and the end goal is the same.
The TacTic seems to have a proven track record and does come with a little video (Ben Doyle is one of peole on the tape). I use WristFirm, TacTic, and nothing in my daily workout -- The WristFirm prevents my wrist from bending, the TacTic alerts me if my wrist bends and I'm own my own on the last one.
I don't think I would be afraid to take a chance on it. It looks like good competition for the TacTic. Maybe you'll find somone who has tried it. But no one ever confessed to using the WristFirm. Having used for a month or so I would still buy as it doesn't have the negatives folk have talked about with devices that try to keep the right wrist bent, such as unable to feel pressure points, etc.
I have seen Evershed use the Power Click on Video....it looks like it should help develop the flat left wrist and bent right wrist feel and condition at impact....Mark has developed a whole integrated system with his training aids, video and book....it's definitely worth looking into....his material is all TGM based.
I have seen Evershed use the Power Click on Video....it looks like it should help develop the flat left wrist and bent right wrist feel and condition at impact....Mark has developed a whole integrated system with his training aids, video and book....it's definitely worth looking into....his material is all TGM based.
DG
I agree with Deleware Golf on the Power Click's purpose and Mark's training aids. Once your wrists (flat left/bent right...flying wedges) are in position, the device will be in the "clicked" position. Then throughout your swing (startup to follow thru) you are trying to maintain (...trying, as in my case...) your flying wedges and never hear the device unclick. If you hear it unclick before (especially) impact, then your flying wedges have broken down. ie....flipping your wrist....I'm sure somebody else could add to this and put it into TGM terms. I'm still at times grasping for the correct terminology...any help is welcomed.
I did a little research on the PowerClick. I found out that it fits on the RIGHT HAND (for right handers) and it clicks and unclicks. It clicks once the right wrist is bent and unclicks should it bend.
This individual maintains and teaches that his right wrist remains bent all the way thru the swing. This is a question I had raised earlier, asking if the right wrist is to remain bent all the way thru to finish. Evershed (?) maintains that his does indeed remain bent.
The impression and information I had received was that the right wrist could not remain bent all the way thru the swing.
Obviously a bit of confusion here . . .
Can anyone shed a little? Is there manipulation here or what?
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