...I don't know Collin's level prior to arrival, but I can believe that Collin with this experience took his stoke to at least the next level if not higher. And I am sure I heard that he had a limited shot selection and left with alot more.
Great Stuff......
Right on all counts, Martee.
In the six months since Collin and I began our work together, I have had the privilege of taking his phone call from time to time. Sometimes we clear swing fog and other times he updates me on his increasing success.
Last week, he called with some special news. I was excited for him and asked him to put it up on the site. That post (and my response) is in the Holies and Polies Forum in the thread And On The Younger Front.
At an age and in a sport where brash and cocky 'it's all about me' attitudes abound, Collin's modesty and manner is refreshing. He is a credit to himself, his family and the game. So, I will now say what he didn't: His final round 71 -- on a very tough golf course and against a full qualifier field for the national junior college championships next May -- was the low round of the three-day tournament. He finished fourth overall, and the good news is...
For me, a lesson between student and teacher is a very personal thing- and because a video of that lesson only shows the present and not the entire context (past and future)- I find it surprising that any teacher AND their student would feel comfortable enough to show it to ANY audience. After all, what is there for the teacher or the student to gain by such a showing? Certainly, the primary potential for gain is largely on the side of the people that get to view it and possibly learn from it.
It won’t take too many negative posts to reduce the possibility of future videos like this one. Instead of "It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin." Which while that statement might be true, it might sound better presented as "It was great to see you work with a good player - could we see a similar length lesson clip from a player who is a 20 handicap?" Afterall, you already saw the good player. It's just better decorum.
To Lynn: I’ve got to give you credit for being open in regards to what you put up, what you let go up on the forum and what you let go on in the forum-that approach certainly has its associated problems but it’s a refreshing attribute and overall a real plus for you and the site.
To Collin: Thanks for letting us be a part of your lesson with Yoda and keep "ripping it"- sounds like you've got a great game and a promising future in this game. Also, thanks for letting TGM be a part of it- people like yourself - will and can be a major influence on golf and TGM (you've got alot more influence than you could ever imagine).
I am 70 yrs old and have been a low single digit player for over 50 yrs. I have played and socialized with the very best professionals and amateurs in the world. I have had instructions from U.S. open winners to teaching only pro's.
I took lessons from Luke at "the swamp". I paid for the 5 lesson plan, took 2 and have not returned in 6 months. I learned so much in those 2 lessons that one morning, plus what I learn on LynnBlakeGolf.com that I don't feel the need to go back.
Last week I viewed the "close encounters-a lesson with Lynn. It is without a doubt the finest piece of golf instruction i have ever benefited from. I have no special allegience to Lynn B. or Ted Fort, as I hardly know them. But, I feel indebted to them for what I have learned from LynnBlakeGolf.com. They could make a lot more money for themselves without out these free lessons on tape. They are a proven quality now and worth paying for!
One other point. You can learn a lot more by viewing and LISTENING to a lesson with a good player than you will ever learn by viewing a player that refuses to be taught, e.g., the guy in the Ben Doyle l hr. lesson.
Frank
" Sharper than a serpents tooth, to have an ungrateful child."
-- Wm. Shakespeare
Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship?
The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that. From the first lesson to the last, he kept the hands above the clubhead and executed chip, pitch, punch, basic, acquired, and full motion for the most part, flawlessly. There was no adjustment of anything - physics or geometry - just a very occasional, "try again".
MJ,
I see the problem and can understand your impression that this was Collin's first session.
I was out of town and unable to write the introductory post for Collin's lesson. Rather than wait for me, I asked Bagger to go ahead and put the video up so that members would have it available over the weekend. His brief post was simply to introduce the video and the format and rationale of its presentation. It did not include the circumstances surrounding the lesson. In fact, I don't think he even knew those details.
To address the current confusion, I have edited Bagger's post to explicitly state Collin's prior TGM experience (none), the actual amount of time we spent together (two days) and the fact that this lesson was the final segment of that training.
By the way, just to let every body know the 'labor of love' going on behind the scenes...
Each five minutesof the video took a full two hoursto render the quality you see. And that doesn't begin to address the time spent in converting the tape for the site or its title page graphics. The job could have been done a whole lot faster and with a lot less effort on Bagger's part, but he wanted to do it right. The results speak for themselves.
You can learn a lot more by viewing and LISTENING to a lesson with a good player than you will ever learn by viewing a player that refuses to be taught.ie: the guy
in the Ben Doyle l hr. lesson.
Nothing could be further from the truth! Watching a good player getting instruction gives you absolutely NO CLUE what that player is really DOING, because the proper physics is already there.
And, that student of Ben's wasn't refusing to be taught - he was trying hard to perform the solution he was given, that of aiming point, but it only made him flip worse - he wasn't being given the correct actionable drills/images which would have produced the desired result.
I see the problem and can understand your impression that this was Collin's first session.
I was out of town and unable to write the introductory post for Collin's lesson. Rather than wait for me, I asked Bagger to go ahead and put the video up so that members would have it available over the weekend. His brief post was simply to introduce the video and the format and rationale of its presentation. It did not include the circumstances surrounding the lesson. In fact, I don't think he even knew those details.
To address the current confusion, I have edited Bagger's post to explicitly state Collin's prior TGM experience (none), the actual amount of time we spent together (two days) and the fact that this lesson was the final segment of that training.
By the way, just to let every body know the 'labor of love' going on behind the scenes...
Each five minutesof the video took a full two hoursto render the quality you see. And that doesn't begin to address the time spent in converting the tape for the site or its title page graphics. The job could have been done a whole lot faster and with a lot less effort on Bagger's part, but he wanted to do it right. The results speak for themselves.
Thanks, Bagger!
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sounds like there is no video of the initial encounters, but could you briefly summarize what he was doing wrong and how you fixed it? Was he a successful timed-flipper, who needed a complete conversion?
You go ahead and watch poor players, I'll watch good players.
Play with dogs, good chance of getting fleas.
I'm with you Frank. I think MJ is challenging Yoda into something we both know is bogus.
Lynn's job is to unlock the yellow book, something he has done marvelously close to two years now. Having been to two workshops with Lynn I still marvel at how he teaches the hands through the brain as he explains The Golfing Machine concepts before heading to the practice range.
I got to watch Ben, Lynn, Brian and Ted teach in Canton- each are different in approach (a wonderful thing btw) but each are at the top of my short list of talent.
Maybe Lynn is not the instructional guru via video that MJ needs. I suggest then, buying a video from Brian or renting a tape from Ben and asking him for a beginner.
...watching a flipper getting converted by Yoda would be very interesting.
You want it, MJ? Okay, you got it!
I had just such an encounter Saturday a week ago with Vickie Lake. LBG Members know Vickie as moderator on our Fit For G.O.L.F. Forum. She is also a trainer and physical therapist with many golf clients. Nevertheless, she herself is an absolute beginner at the game.
At my request, she did attend (as a Special Invitee) the Pine Needles Workshop last summer. The goal was to help her understand the alignments of our system so that she would be better able to custom a fitness regimen for our students. She told me then she wanted to learn how to play golf -- mainly to enable her to better serve her clients through a personal experience of the movement -- but we both knew that my attention had to be on our students. Thus, I was not able to work with her there.
Well, fast forward about a year, and she is now my personal fitness guru. For months now, I've been pressing her to get together with me and learn how to swing a Golf Club. Finally, our stars lined up, and we agreed to meet for an hour before a scheduled Private Workshop. She had no shoes -- you'll like her red boots in the video! -- and no clubs (so I loaned her my Sand Wedge). Most of all, she had no Flat Left Wrist. As her first few Strokes reveal, she had absolutely no control of this mandatory alignment. With all due respect to Vickie, her beginning efforts were as un-golflike as any you will ever see.
The good news is that I filmed the entire lesson. I wanted her to have a record of her beginning and a visual standard against which to measure her progress in the coming weeks. There was, however, a slight technical problem...
I have just purchased a new microphone for my camera -- you've heard the static from my old one on Collin's tape -- and, uh, I forgot to turn it on. Which was unfortunate, because the attached external mike disabled the internal one. Hence there is no sound on the video. But not to worry, because there is plenty of 'hands on' help and demonstration, and members will see the magic unfold over the hour.
And, indeed, it was magic!
Get ready to que it up, Bagger. It's comin' your way today.
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