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Old 12-08-2005, 04:33 AM
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The 12-1-0 Pattern is a Three-Accumulator Stroke. It is not for maximum Power.
I see! I thought there is a bit more to using Accumulator #4 than merely utilising Pivot Lag. But no, so...

I have now come to a new conclusion that the 3-Barrel Hitting Pattern in 12-1-0 is inferior in terms of distance compared with the 3-Barrel Swinging Pattern in 12-2-0. Why? Geometrically, the effective Swing Radius is shortened by about four feet (or whatever the distance between your Shoulder and Feet). That is clearly a lot! Physics-wise, the Pivot Power supplying Momentum Transfer is lost. This places a lot of burden on Accumulator #1 which cannot fully compensate for all of the aforementioned factors.

Therefore, everything being roughly equal, if a competent Hitter wants to match the competitive and well-grooved 3-Barrel Swinger, he must use a 4-Barrel Stroke. Otherwise, he will start falling behind!



(PS: I do not want this thread to have anything to do with the Right Arm Swing...looking at no one in particular )
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Old 12-08-2005, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
I see! I thought there is a bit more to using Accumulator #4 than merely utilising Pivot Lag. But no, so...

I have now come to a new conclusion that the 3-Barrel Hitting Pattern in 12-1-0 is inferior in terms of distance compared with the 3-Barrel Swinging Pattern in 12-2-0. Why? Geometrically, the effective Swing Radius is shortened by about four feet (or whatever the distance between your Shoulder and Feet). That is clearly a lot! Physics-wise, the Pivot Power supplying Momentum Transfer is lost. This places a lot of burden on Accumulator #1 which cannot fully compensate for all of the aforementioned factors.

Therefore, everything being roughly equal, if a competent Hitter wants to match the competitive and well-grooved 3-Barrel Swinger, he must use a 4-Barrel Stroke. Otherwise, he will start falling behind!



(PS: I do not want this thread to have anything to do with the Right Arm Swing...looking at no one in particular )
Wonder what Mr. K's input would be here? Tong are you talking 4 Barrel Stroke for the YOU at the "MASTER's level of execution?"

Or the less efficient like . . . well . . . 12 piece bucket?


10-4-D FOUR BARREL This high performance Four Accumulator Combination can produce many problems during its mastery by the player. But it can make the difference in top competition. Well controlled Double or Triple Barrel Combinations have little to fear from the Four Barrel Combination that is less than fully mastered.

I reckon it depends on who's pulling the trigger on the shotgun . . .

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Old 12-08-2005, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Wonder what Mr. K's input would be here? Tong are you talking 4 Barrel Stroke for the YOU at the "MASTER's level of execution?"

Or the less efficient like . . . well . . . 12 piece bucket?


10-4-D FOUR BARREL This high performance Four Accumulator Combination can produce many problems during its mastery by the player. But it can make the difference in top competition. Well controlled Double or Triple Barrel Combinations have little to fear from the Four Barrel Combination that is less than fully mastered.

I reckon it depends on who's pulling the trigger on the shotgun . . .

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Yes, I'm saying at the "Master's Level of Execution", the 3-Barrel Swing will out-perform the 3-Barrel Hit distance-wise.

Note I didn't say anything about scoring performance.

Also Homer's comment about the "many problems during its mastery..." is directed more to the Swinger than the Hitter. In other words, the 4-Barrel Swing is not recommended at all, but the 4-Barrel Hit is recommended once you've mastered the 3-Barrel version.
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Old 12-08-2005, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Yes, both Hitter and Swinger use Pivot Lag (Hips lead Shoulders in the Downstroke) to Load the Power Package (via the On Plane Right Shoulder Turn Thrust against Pressure Point #4).

The essential difference between the two is what is being Loaded and how. The Hitter Loads the Right Triceps to Drive the Club through Impact, and he does so by using the Hands at the Top to resist the motion of the Backstroke Turn per 7-19-1. The Swinger Loads the Left Wrist to Drag the Club through Impact, and he does so by using the Shoulder Thrust to Snap the Club onto the Lag Pressure Point per 7-19-3.
Two thoughts/questions..

1. Isn't the above set up by the golfers alignment/position of the right forearm at the Top of the stroke? It as I think I understand it differentiates a hitter / swinger and how they can load?

2. Swinging vs Hitting I don't beleive it is accurate to say one is longer than the other. It may be in theory but in reality I beleive Mr. K. pointed out back in 1-D (Structure) which may be the most effective a golfer.
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Yes, I'm saying at the "Master's Level of Execution", the 3-Barrel Swing will out-perform the 3-Barrel Hit distance-wise.

Note I didn't say anything about scoring performance.

Also Homer's comment about the "many problems during its mastery..." is directed more to the Swinger than the Hitter. In other words, the 4-Barrel Swing is not recommended at all, but the 4-Barrel Hit is recommended once you've mastered the 3-Barrel version.
4-barrel swinging is a NO NO. I am in your camp!
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Yes, I'm saying at the "Master's Level of Execution", the 3-Barrel Swing will out-perform the 3-Barrel Hit distance-wise.
Depends on the person, their strength and their flexibility, but I would agree for 'most' people that is a fair statement. Many factors involved though.
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