I have two sets of irons with the same heads. One has Apex 3 shafts, factory stock. I just had another set reshafted with Flighted Rifle 4.5 shafts. I'm going to alternate them this year and see which I like better.
I play a full set of Wishon clubs. The only club I don't like all that much is the driver. Tom's drivers are mostly setup for people who need help getting a higher launch angle. I don't really need that. The fairway woods are awesome. I play the 515GRTs in both 3W and 5W. I shafted them with Aldila NVS75 in stiff flex. They are easy to get up off the deck and hit it a long way.
I also play Wishon hybrids for my 3I and 4I replacements. Very iron like club and easy to hit. I have these shafted with Grafalloy Blue Pro Launch hybrid shaft in stiff flex. They are still a little soft, but that makes it easy to hit'em high.
I play the Wishon 550s in my irons with Harrison Premier Lite 85 steel shafts in regular flex. Nice lightweight steel shaft. I play the blades up to 6I and the 5I is the cavity back. These are solid irons. They are very controllable and not hard to hit for blades. Trajectory is medium for me.
Finally I went with a 52* / 58* wedges to go along with my PW. I picked a 56* / 60* of different styles to get the wider sole I was looking for and had Wishon cherry pick / bend to get me the loft I wanted (they are very good about that). Both clubs have smallish bounce (8*), but a wider sole. This is a nice compromise that lets me play'em from the sand as well as the fairway.
All in all Wishon's clubs are very high quality, the service is great, and the price is reasonable. Everything in my bag at the moment is a long term keeper except the driver.
Great post, Steph!
For the rest of us...
Any questions?
P.S. Did anybody else read that post and have visions of My Cousin Vinny and Mona Lisa Vito in the witness chair? This gal Thinkingplus has Game and knows her gear!
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D.A. Jim Trotter: Now, Ms. Vito, being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me... what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
Mona Lisa Vito: That's a bullshit question.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Does that mean that you can't answer it?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a bullshit question, it's impossible to answer.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Impossible because you don't know the answer!
Mona Lisa Vito: Nobody could answer that question!
D.A. Jim Trotter: Your Honor, I move to disqualify Ms. Vito as an expert witness!
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Can you answer the question?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, it is a trick question!
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Why is it a trick question?
Vinny Gambini: [to Bill] Watch this.
Mona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '63. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Well... uh... she's acceptable, Your Honor.
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Vinny Gambini: Ms. Vito, it has been argued by me, the defense, that two sets of guys met up at the Sac-O-Suds, at the same time, driving identical metallic mint green 1964 Buick Skylark convertibles. Now, can you tell us by what you see in this picture, if the defense's case holds water?
[Lisa examines the picture]
Vinny Gambini: Ms. Vito, please answer the question: does the defense's case hold water?
Mona Lisa Vito: No! The defense is wrong!
Vinny Gambini: Are you sure?
Mona Lisa Vito: I'm positive.
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Vinny Gambini: How could you be so sure?
Mona Lisa Vito: Because there is no way that these tire marks were made by a '64 Buick Skylark convertible. These marks were made by a 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Objection, Your Honor! Can we clarify to the court whether the witness is stating opinion or fact?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: This is your opinion?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a fact!
Vinny Gambini: I find it hard to believe that this kind of information could be ascertained simply by looking at a picture!
Mona Lisa Vito: Would you like me to explain?
Vinny Gambini: I would love to hear this!
Judge Chamberlain Haller: So would I.
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Mona Lisa Vito: The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make these marks without positraction, which was not available on the '64 Buick Skylark!
Vinny Gambini: And why not? What is positraction?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
[the jury members nod, with murmurs of "yes," "that's right," etc]
Vinny Gambini: Is that it?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, there's more! You see where the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even? Well, the '64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge. But that didn't happen here. The tire mark stayed flat and even. This car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the '60's, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, weight, wheel base, and wheel track as the '64 Skylark, and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
Vinny Gambini: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?
Mona Lisa Vito: They were!
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Ms. Vito. No more questions. Thank you very much.
[kissing her hands]
Vinny Gambini: You've been a lovely, lovely witness.
My significant other and I build clubs as a hobby. It gives us the ability to tweak our clubs in various ways until we like'em for a lot less than the cost of OEM clubs. It is fun and you can get clubs fit for your game. Also, my post was fairly brief. I did not go into how the frequency slope and swingweight of my irons is very non-standard! We'll save that for the insomniacs...
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Steph
Distance is Magic; Precision is Practice.
My significant other and I build clubs as a hobby. It gives us the ability to tweak our clubs in various ways until we like'em for a lot less than the cost of OEM clubs. It is fun and you can get clubs fit for your game. Also, my post was fairly brief. I did not go into how the frequency slope and swingweight of my irons is very non-standard! We'll save that for the insomniacs...
Let's hear it! Equipment is fascinating. Have you read Wishon's book?
You gotta be from another planet. I can't imagine askink what's her name . . . Hey you wannna help me build a new set? She would slap the taste out of my mouth.
Let's hear it! Equipment is fascinating. Have you read Wishon's book?
You gotta be from another planet. I can't imagine askink what's her name . . . Hey you wannna help me build a new set? She would slap the taste out of my mouth.
Wishon's book is pretty good. It provides a good basic understanding of what does and does not matter with your equipment (focus - GOLF equipment ). Most of what he is talking about I had heard about or already figured out on my own. For the non-club builder, it contains very good information, though.
Don't be too hard on the significant other. We all have our advantages and disadvantages. I bet she fries a mean chicken and doesn't kick your aspirations on the golf course. I, on the other hand, would likely carbonize the chicken and tend to pound (in a nice way of course ) most anyone on the golf course that I play with (the hubby deals with my impertinence occasionally, but I sneak by most of the time). Everyone is different and their uniqueness should be appreciated.
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Steph
Distance is Magic; Precision is Practice.
Wishon has been described as the smartest man in golf. He's got a fantastic book Search for the Perfect Club. Great read and very good information. Don't have any of his sticks but you can bet your petutie that whatever he puts out is good.
I read the book in one sitting today at work. Here's a quiz for y'all:
If Mr. Woods were to put a ladies flex shaft in his driver, how much would that shaft increase his launch angle?
P.S. Did anybody else read that post and have visions of My Cousin Vinny and Mona Lisa Vito in the witness chair? This gal Thinkingplus has Game and knows her gear!
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D.A. Jim Trotter: Now, Ms. Vito, being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me... what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
Mona Lisa Vito: That's a bullshit question.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Does that mean that you can't answer it?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a bullshit question, it's impossible to answer.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Impossible because you don't know the answer!
Mona Lisa Vito: Nobody could answer that question!
D.A. Jim Trotter: Your Honor, I move to disqualify Ms. Vito as an expert witness!
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Can you answer the question?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, it is a trick question!
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Why is it a trick question?
Vinny Gambini: [to Bill] Watch this.
Mona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '63. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Well... uh... she's acceptable, Your Honor.
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Vinny Gambini: Ms. Vito, it has been argued by me, the defense, that two sets of guys met up at the Sac-O-Suds, at the same time, driving identical metallic mint green 1964 Buick Skylark convertibles. Now, can you tell us by what you see in this picture, if the defense's case holds water?
[Lisa examines the picture]
Vinny Gambini: Ms. Vito, please answer the question: does the defense's case hold water?
Mona Lisa Vito: No! The defense is wrong!
Vinny Gambini: Are you sure?
Mona Lisa Vito: I'm positive.
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Vinny Gambini: How could you be so sure?
Mona Lisa Vito: Because there is no way that these tire marks were made by a '64 Buick Skylark convertible. These marks were made by a 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Objection, Your Honor! Can we clarify to the court whether the witness is stating opinion or fact?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: This is your opinion?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a fact!
Vinny Gambini: I find it hard to believe that this kind of information could be ascertained simply by looking at a picture!
Mona Lisa Vito: Would you like me to explain?
Vinny Gambini: I would love to hear this!
Judge Chamberlain Haller: So would I.
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Mona Lisa Vito: The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make these marks without positraction, which was not available on the '64 Buick Skylark!
Vinny Gambini: And why not? What is positraction?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
[the jury members nod, with murmurs of "yes," "that's right," etc]
Vinny Gambini: Is that it?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, there's more! You see where the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even? Well, the '64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge. But that didn't happen here. The tire mark stayed flat and even. This car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the '60's, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, weight, wheel base, and wheel track as the '64 Skylark, and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
Vinny Gambini: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?
Mona Lisa Vito: They were!
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Ms. Vito. No more questions. Thank you very much.
[kissing her hands]
Vinny Gambini: You've been a lovely, lovely witness.
Hey Yoda,
Great post on that. One of my favorite movies of all time, thanks to jr33.
I read the book in one sitting today at work. Here's a quiz for y'all:
If Mr. Woods were to put a ladies flex shaft in his driver, how much would that shaft increase his launch angle?
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I once asked Tom about hitting vs swinging. Also release types.
All stress the clubshaft different ways. Tom now has some of that in his fitting program but still believes in the old ball flight laws. That is a shame and shows there is still a ways to go for the average fitter to improve the tools in hand.
Rifles - years into this game and I do not ever stock them.
"Play the lightest shaft that you can control". Note not "play the lightest most flexible shaft that you can control" which is the industry catch cry. Why? Coz too many fitted players end up way too whippy. But for an average Joe, better too whippy than too stiff.
I just pulled apart a so called fitted HG club for a client today. Fitter had to have been on drugs. Builder must have had a quota for glue that had expired. I fix more HGs than almost any other brand of 'fitted clubs'. Not having a go at HGs just stating what I see. Over priced and the fitting system is still in the stone age. Most fitters are not TGM pro's and so just are ice cream salesmen...unlike the fellows who run this site
If you are going to get HGs, go there or do your dough!
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