My intent was to let other TGMer’s know about the analysis. Peter talks of push, push, etc., it is assumed that his stroke pattern is hitting because he uses the word push. It is not and Paul’s final analysis of why, even with the push emphasis, I felt was insightful and informative for those of us who study TGM.
My error was to include the link and mention the cost. For that, Daryl, Bagger, and Lynn I apologize.
Lee Deitrick
Lee,
I haven't seen the video but I'm assuming the "push" may have something to do with extensor action. I'm not asking you to give away anything that Peter and Co. are charging a few bucks for, but is that the jist of it?
No apologies needed. We will be adding Peter to our Professional Contributors list soon.
Golfing ability: Nothing that would impress you nor anyone else.
TGM Knowledge: A little above average.
TGM True Believer: Like the Original.
Years playing Golf: 40
I respect Peter Croker and have told him so and have said as much in this forum. Paul Hart has a G.S.E.D. I don’t have his qualifications.
I have always thought of this site as a “Pure TGM Zone”. I became a little upset at the recommendation and probably said too much. It’s one of my character flaws. I have many.
Please accept my apology.
And: Lynn, I apologize for stepping on toes.
Daryl,
Fair reply...I haven't seen the Paul Hart analysis, I was just trying to find out what you thought was wrong? However, I think the $3 one pays to view the video...for what I have seen of Paul for free, I would have to assume the video at $3 is totally underpriced. If the cost was $60 or more it might be a different story.
I have yet to see any of the AI's try to take advantage of the forum members (moneywise) on any of the TGM sites.
Cheers to free knowledge and the opportunity to pay for quality education!!!
Play Ball!!!
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 06-04-2006 at 12:10 AM.
Here is the info for you as close as I can be to the video script. You were correct!
10-4-0: Stroke Variation
Paul: What Peter is describing here is a classic 2,3,4 stroke variation, a classic swinging action. Peter describes the feeling here as a right arm pushing down action through the ball. I know centrifugal force is overpowering his muscular force, I would call that extensor action. And he has found that very useful to stop any impact fallout or deceleration through impact. So he has inadvertently discovered the “Magic of Extensor Action” in the swing.
Peter: It definitely connects everything up. I feel a good structure through the ball and a connection between the hands and the hips.
Paul: We call that rhythm.
10-11-0 Pressure Points
Paul: Peter is using the classic #2, #3 PP. He keeps talking about this #1 PP here. In my world, its not actually a driving force, its an extensor action force which keeps your swing structure solid. Keep extension there, through follow through point.
Peter: the other thing I feel #1 does for me is it gets the right side continuing on through. It does not hang back which takes pressure off the back.
Closing
Paul: …its not what I thought it was. I had your system as about push here and a push there. But the only pushing I see is all about structure and extensor action. Bracing up the swing through impact. So it’s a …classic swing technique.
I haven't seen the video but I'm assuming the "push" may have something to do with extensor action. I'm not asking you to give away anything that Peter and Co. are charging a few bucks for, but is that the jist of it?
No apologies needed. We will be adding Peter to our Professional Contributors list soon.
Thanks,
Bagger
Dear Bagger,
Thanks for the notice here and I appreciate being a part of LBG Forum and able to contribute to the understandings of Homer's TGM.
I appreciate Lynn posting the Tom Tomasello videos that I produced in Australia with Tom in 1989. They were very special times for me. Tom was a great human being and super golf instructor.
In respect for Lynn and his connection to both Tom Tomasello and Homer Kelley, I would like to offer free to all LGB Forum members the video download of Paul Hart's assessment of Croker Golf System 24 components.
The link is: http://www.crokergolfsystem.com/TGMD...G_ANALYSIS.htm
Kindest Regards,
Peter
PS: I agree with Lynn in that we are all here to help advance TGM with our best description of TGM and its application to all golfers playing this game for fun and results.
Also I appreciate Lee Deitrick's willingness to share his knowledge with us all. He is a professional's professional when it comes to golf instruction.
Last edited by Peter Croker : 06-04-2006 at 07:53 AM.
I appreciate Lynn posting the Tom Tomasello videos that I produced in Australia with Tom in 1989. They were very special times for me. Tom was a great human being and super golf instructor.
In respect for Lynn and his connection to both Tom Tomasello and Homer Kelley, I would like to offer free to all LGB Forum members the video download of Paul Hart's assessment of Croker Golf System 24 components.
The link is: http://www.crokergolfsystem.com/TGMD...G_ANALYSIS.htm
Thanks for this free access, Peter. I'm sure our members will benefit from viewing this four-part video.
I would also like to formally acknowledge your contribution in filming the Tomasello video. At the time we posted the Series, we were unable to determine its specific origin. However, I did my best to credit those involved in my intoduction to the series (in the LBG Classic Movies Forum). Quoting from that post, Tom Tomasello -- the Australia Experience In Nine Chapters:
Quote:
In 1989, Tom's road took him to Australia at the invitation of the Australian PGA and Peter Croker. Over a period of four weeks, he conducted a series of workshops that introduced TGM to the Land Down Under. Near the end of that run, a tape was made that capsulized the Australia Experience, and our own Delaware Golf generously has made it available to us.
At the same time, I want to recognize our own Bagger Lance for his extraordinary commitment to this project. It was he who spent countless hours rendering the video into the specific chapters (with their graphics) and format it now enjoys on both our websites.
Thanks for the notice here and I appreciate being a part of LBG Forum and able to contribute to the understandings of Homer's TGM.
I appreciate Lynn posting the Tom Tomasello videos that I produced in Australia with Tom in 1989. They were very special times for me. Tom was a great human being and super golf instructor.
In respect for Lynn and his connection to both Tom Tomasello and Homer Kelley, I would like to offer free to all LGB Forum members the video download of Paul Hart's assessment of Croker Golf System 24 components.
The link is: http://www.crokergolfsystem.com/TGMD...G_ANALYSIS.htm
Kindest Regards,
Peter
PS: I agree with Lynn in that we are all here to help advance TGM with our best description of TGM and its application to all golfers playing this game for fun and results.
Also I appreciate Lee Deitrick's willingness to share his knowledge with us all. He is a professional's professional when it comes to golf instruction.
So, what we get out of the Paul Hart analysis is Tom Tomasello taught a 2,3,4 accumulator swing which substituted “transfer of momentum” at the start of downswing for the use of "The MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM" and extensor action....I believe Tomasello's arguement for this approach would be an issue of generating FULL POWER. See 10-3-K and 10-3-D in the 7th edition...and study chapter 5 (Power) of the Tomasello/Croker Australian video series...
I think we're finally pulling this thing together...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 06-04-2006 at 10:54 AM.
Just read the thread additions, very good idea to make the video link available. This will help to advance TGM, LBG, CGS, and lead to a better understanding by all. It's nice we can work together.
Good analysis by Mr. Hart!!! I"ve seen Peter Croker hit balls demonstrating, and have played a few holes with him. His system is prety much based on his technique, and he can definately DO IT WELL HIMSELF.
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