"One more thought about the "Lag Swing":
It feels a bit "wristy" which seems far away to the TGM basics!
Is it a normal feeling or should I have frozen wrists?"
Yodeli - your feeling of wristy-ness are due to the wrists acting as free hinges - allowing you to experience the inertial forces during transition. If you have previously been using forearm muscles to cast from the top then your wrists will have felt "strong" but wrong!
Maybe what you are feeling is some increased wrist cock on transition to downswing - ie. float loading - but this is perfect way of learning lag sensation in pp3.
I think that when you focus on your right index finger sensation at transition - when you feel most wristy - you will notice that lag sensation is felt - as Comdpa says - on top of the shaft And nearer the Metacarpophalangeal joint of your index finger.
Yodas / 6b 's latest video about lag goes into this in perfect detail- great close up of yoda's pp3 at "end" versus "top". So easy to understand - AND it clears up 7-3 loading stuff too - ie. where should the right forearm be at top and end.
Get your pivot to do whatever it needs to do to hold that sensation as long into downswing and you will look like Comdpa, Sergio, Hogan, Yoda...
Per 10-11-03, "Remember, with Swinging, Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A)....
That is - if left in "Top-of-the Clubshaft" position it becomes a Weak Single Action Grip (10-2-A) and the interchangeable equivalent to 10-2-C for Swingers."
Hope that answers your query.
Here's a picture of me l-a-g-g-i-n-g...
Yes, I understand the concept; I must now learn to translate this into feelings. Also, seeing Yoda's video (PressurePoint3-WhereAreYou) on the same subject was very helpful !
You have a hell of a lag'o death Comdpa!!!
Very impressive!
Be careful not to rip-off your right ear !
Seriously, I find the position of your right elbow to your side quite interesting because from there it clearly shows that you only need to uncock the right forearm to be in perfect impact conditions.
Interestingly enough, in my old swing my right elbow was always away from my left side (and it was impossible to force it in the right slot).
Now, if you compare to the Lag Swing, IT'S MAGICALLY TUCKED TO MY SIDE!!!
I discovered that by doing the Lag procedure I covered in a previous post it MAGICALLY solved a few flaws I never managed to get rid off:
- Right elbow is tucked to my side
- No more overswinging
- Left arm straight at all times
- Better weight transfer
- Wide takeaway and less inside
And all this without thinking of doing it!
Cool !
To be perfectly sure, Comdpa, do you confirm that you did nothing special to get your right elbow in this position?
According to you is it the automagic result of your lagging motion?
In the new swing sequence you do not have a picture right at impact. How can you judge it to be better without this most important frame. It's like most swing sequences in golf magazines, they rarely show impact due mostly to slow shutter speeds cameras.
You are right, the frame is missing. However I am pretty sure it looks better at impact.
Here's why:
If you compare frame 9 of the "Classic Swing" and frame 8 of the "Lag Swing" you can see the difference in the position of the hands: they both are in front of my right leg...
But, and to me it's a big difference, while in the "Classic Swing" the clubhead is striking the ball and the right wrist is straight (argh!), at this same moment in the "Lag Swing" the clubhead is still lagging behind with right wrist bent.
It means that my hands will be (it's obligatory) PAST THE BALL when the clubhead will strike the ball.
And the stroke feels very different also.
Anyway, I will beg for a better camera for Christmas !
Yodeli - your feeling of wristy-ness are due to the wrists acting as free hinges - allowing you to experience the inertial forces during transition. If you have previously been using forearm muscles to cast from the top then your wrists will have felt "strong" but wrong!
What a revelation! Thanks a lot Golfbulldog to clarify this one!
I was a former pro tennis player who loved to kill the ball! And as such I certainly kept the bad habit to rely on stiffness and force instead of letting the motion flow.
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Maybe what you are feeling is some increased wrist cock on transition to downswing - ie. float loading - but this is perfect way of learning lag sensation in pp3.
Yes, bingo again! This is EXACTLY my feeling.
Pleased to link it to float loading (received the Yellow book last week and still learning!)
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I think that when you focus on your right index finger sensation at transition - when you feel most wristy - you will notice that lag sensation is felt - as Comdpa says - on top of the shaft And nearer the Metacarpophalangeal joint of your index finger.
Yes, I can feel that. Something remains unclear: is there something special to do to re-rotate PP3 during the downswing (10-11-0-3 and also mentioned by Yoda on the video)?
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Get your pivot to do whatever it needs to do to hold that sensation as long into downswing and you will look like Comdpa, Sergio, Hogan, Yoda...
You guys are good !
What a pleasure and thanks again for all the top quality information.
To be perfectly sure, Comdpa, do you confirm that you did nothing special to get your right elbow in this position?
According to you is it the automagic result of your lagging motion?
Yodeli, take all my advice with small amount of caution - i am only learning student like yourself . Comdpa and others can "walk the walk" as well as "talk the talk"!
My journey into the valley of sustained lag has begun recently and i am heading towards Sergioville! Sensations in my pp3 are new and exciting but results are erratic at the moment.
If we are travelling similar road and at a similar stage i believe that the next step is DIRECTING that PP3 thrust. This is something that seems to be working for me at the moment.
The sensation i need to feel is more pp3 DOWN than i ever thought was natural... maybe try that for you - can't do any harm... remember
6-E-2. THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT
"... because The Machine deliv¬ers the #3 Pressure Point to Impact Fix Hand Location AT IMPACT with all Delivery Paths, Delivery Lines, Pulley Sizes, etc. because its structure is designed to do just that; ... The Aiming Point replaces the ball so you no longer direct the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball but at he Aiming Point just as if it were the Ball - like an explosion shot from sand....
Three procedures are available:
1. Move the Aiming Point forward or aft of the established Ball location. This Aiming Point procedure seems more easily acquired if introduced as a Feel. At the top of the Backstroke, even at the End (10-21-C), mentally construct a line from the #3 Pressure Point to the Aiming Point. Let a careful Downstroke direct the thrust precisely along this line. Hitting or Swinging, direct the #3 Pressure Point strongly downward, per 1-L-9, 1-L-10, 2-J-3 and 6-C-2-A, to ensure the "Downward" element of Three Dimensional Impact (2-C-0). That is: TRY TO DRIVE THE BALL INTO THE GROUND, NOT INTO THE AIR. If you don't KNOW that you hit down, assume that you didn't. The Hands must ALWAYS take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23), but even withh the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straight-line EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing" (5-0) must not disrupt it;
...."
BOLD by me, CAPITALISATION by Homer!
I love to read this section about aiming point... i am sure that 6 months ago i just did not get it, even now i am not master of the concept but it is starting to help me forget about the ball and feel more in the hands!
Yodeli, take all my advice with small amount of caution - i am only learning student like yourself . Comdpa and others can "walk the walk" as well as "talk the talk"!
My journey into the valley of sustained lag has begun recently and i am heading towards Sergioville! Sensations in my pp3 are new and exciting but results are erratic at the moment.
If we are travelling similar road and at a similar stage i believe that the next step is DIRECTING that PP3 thrust. This is something that seems to be working for me at the moment.
The sensation i need to feel is more pp3 DOWN than i ever thought was natural... maybe try that for you - can't do any harm... remember
6-E-2. THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT
"... because The Machine deliv¬ers the #3 Pressure Point to Impact Fix Hand Location AT IMPACT with all Delivery Paths, Delivery Lines, Pulley Sizes, etc. because its structure is designed to do just that; ... The Aiming Point replaces the ball so you no longer direct the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball but at he Aiming Point just as if it were the Ball - like an explosion shot from sand....
Three procedures are available:
1. Move the Aiming Point forward or aft of the established Ball location. This Aiming Point procedure seems more easily acquired if introduced as a Feel. At the top of the Backstroke, even at the End (10-21-C), mentally construct a line from the #3 Pressure Point to the Aiming Point. Let a careful Downstroke direct the thrust precisely along this line. Hitting or Swinging, direct the #3 Pressure Point strongly downward, per 1-L-9, 1-L-10, 2-J-3 and 6-C-2-A, to ensure the "Downward" element of Three Dimensional Impact (2-C-0). That is: TRY TO DRIVE THE BALL INTO THE GROUND, NOT INTO THE AIR. If you don't KNOW that you hit down, assume that you didn't. The Hands must ALWAYS take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23), but even withh the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straight-line EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing" (5-0) must not disrupt it;
...."
BOLD by me, CAPITALISATION by Homer!
I love to read this section about aiming point... i am sure that 6 months ago i just did not get it, even now i am not master of the concept but it is starting to help me forget about the ball and feel more in the hands!
Remember: 2-G "Direction Control means Clubface alignment control." That would be the first imperative.
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Yodeli, take all my advice with small amount of caution - i am only learning student like yourself . Comdpa and others can "walk the walk" as well as "talk the talk"!
My journey into the valley of sustained lag has begun recently and i am heading towards Sergioville! Sensations in my pp3 are new and exciting but results are erratic at the moment.
If we are travelling similar road and at a similar stage i believe that the next step is DIRECTING that PP3 thrust. This is something that seems to be working for me at the moment.
The sensation i need to feel is more pp3 DOWN than i ever thought was natural... maybe try that for you - can't do any harm... remember
6-E-2. THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT
"... because The Machine deliv¬ers the #3 Pressure Point to Impact Fix Hand Location AT IMPACT with all Delivery Paths, Delivery Lines, Pulley Sizes, etc. because its structure is designed to do just that; ... The Aiming Point replaces the ball so you no longer direct the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball but at he Aiming Point just as if it were the Ball - like an explosion shot from sand....
Three procedures are available:
1. Move the Aiming Point forward or aft of the established Ball location. This Aiming Point procedure seems more easily acquired if introduced as a Feel. At the top of the Backstroke, even at the End (10-21-C), mentally construct a line from the #3 Pressure Point to the Aiming Point. Let a careful Downstroke direct the thrust precisely along this line. Hitting or Swinging, direct the #3 Pressure Point strongly downward, per 1-L-9, 1-L-10, 2-J-3 and 6-C-2-A, to ensure the "Downward" element of Three Dimensional Impact (2-C-0). That is: TRY TO DRIVE THE BALL INTO THE GROUND, NOT INTO THE AIR. If you don't KNOW that you hit down, assume that you didn't. The Hands must ALWAYS take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23), but even withh the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straight-line EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing" (5-0) must not disrupt it;
...."
BOLD by me, CAPITALISATION by Homer!
I love to read this section about aiming point... i am sure that 6 months ago i just did not get it, even now i am not master of the concept but it is starting to help me forget about the ball and feel more in the hands!
The Aiming Point is the ball itself if ball position changes.
The Aiming Point changes if ball position is constant.
The Aiming Point is the ball itself if ball position changes.
The Aiming Point changes if ball position is constant.
On the first one . . .
The Aiming Point COULD be the CONSTANT . . . . for example . . . let's say that you want your release point feel to be the same for ALL clubs. So the Aiming Point would be approximately the ball for a 5 iron. So then you adjust the Ball Position in relation to that selected Aiming Point for the 5 iron. Adjust the ball BACK for shorter clubs and FORWARD for longer clubs.
The Aiming Point COULD be the CONSTANT . . . . for example . . . let's say that you want your release point feel to be the same for ALL clubs. So the Aiming Point would be approximately the ball for a 5 iron. So then you adjust the Ball Position in relation to that selected Aiming Point for the 5 iron. Adjust the ball BACK for shorter clubs and FORWARD for longer clubs.
Spot on there Bucks...
Further clarification can be found in 6-E-2 and 6-E-2 #2.
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