Same idea - the magic of the right forearm - and right forearm pickup - but with different level/location of the 'fan' around the tip of the right elbow. The hitter keeping the 'inside' of the right forearm facing the ball, and the swinger keeping the 'underside' of the right forearm facing the ball.
Another way to explain/feel is to focus on the left wrist action.
The hitter will use Single per10-18-C, where the left wrist is Cocked but not turned - the inside of the right forearm will face the ball and
the swinger will use Standard per 10-18-A, where the Left Wrist is turned and cocked.
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Last edited by Amen Corner : 11-03-2006 at 03:51 AM.
Impact Address is not recommended for Swinging because the club would no longer be trailing (dragging behind) the hands in Start-Up. Impact Address prepares you for carrying the club back, where Adjusted Address prepares you for dragging the club back.
Thanks for clarifying that, I wasn't too sure about it as I thought that if I started at Impact Fix, I would then make it easier to return fix at impact. But as a swinger it would not use CF fully.
Alex
Oh my God, Ted when you hit the ball with your right hand only it totally blew me away. To stay on plane and crush that ball with only one hand is totally awesome!
Two small questions:
1. Is your address stance slightly open?
2. At impact fix is your club face slightly open?
TIA.
Yeah, I love the quote from Trevino...
"I line up left and hit it right"
Translation: no clubhead throwaway.
P.S. When you can hit full shots with the right arm only and your right wrist still remains bent, life is good.
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Last edited by YodasLuke : 11-03-2006 at 01:22 PM.
Ted or Lynn or whomever,
I have a question about impact address for hitting. I know of at least one GSED who advocates setting up for hitting with the right hip "pre-set" so that at address the left hip is closed (not slightly open) and the right hip is turned back a little. Then RFT occurs without having to worry about clearing the right hip on the backswing. Thoughts????
I followed this wonderful golf forum closely since January 2005. Specifically I read the "Hitters Emergency Room" from start to finish, and watched almost all of the videos, some multiple times. In light of all that I had absorbed so far, I was astonished at the unexpected richness of what Yoda and Ted Fort shared with me in "Preshot Routine, The Hitter". Decided to list the specific ideas that worked for me, in case others may have inadvertently passed over something that could help.
1) Until now, I didn't have a clue what the hitter's startdown waggle should look like. I was making do with Jeff Hull's prior downswing waggle, but the slow and modest move that Ted Fort suggested, worked far better for this hitter, than Jeff Hull's more dramatic swingers waggle.
2) I have been trying to perfect my initial backswing move and thought I was doing it properly. For the last few weeks, I have been concentrating on basic and acquired motion drills. Some days I thought I was on the right path. But other days, I suffered from inconsistent performance. When I focused on grabbing my own left wrist and stretching my limp left arm on the way back, I finally learned the how I should have been doing it all along. (I recommend to other to take on the project of spending time hitting basic and acquired motion. Its a great way of discovering whether or not you are doing things properly.) My results have greatly improved since I refined my take back technique based on what you suggested in the above mentioned video.
3) Ted Fort's suggestion of having the butt of my shaft face my left shoulder helped me get a more consistent forward lean for my swing which improved my consistency. I also really liked the idea of establishing ones grip at impact fix with the forward leaning shaft. I have decided once and for all that I will use impact fix as my address position going forward, as well.
4) I have read alot at the forum about the matter of the angle of approach and hitting. Watching Ted Fort waggle from contact to low point from 7 to 1 picked me up and carried me from intellectually understanding the concept to to having a consistent method of striking the ball better. Also really liked his concept of letting the target line evaporate after set up, and focusing instead on the delivery path.
5) I also liked Ted Fort's idea of not grounding his clubs when hitting off tees so as not to disturb his frozen hinges.
I can't properly express how much I appreciate your wonderful website. You guys are the best. Its amazing how many people contribute so selflessly to support people like me that they don't even know. Please feel free to contact me if there is something I can do for you in return. (For example, I would be happy to contribute to a fund to help fund additional videos for your website.)
It won't be much longer before this site leapfrogs to the next level. We are working hard behind the scenes.
Bagger,
I have a suggestion that possibly might help you in your leap froging efforts. I am a hitter who has been signficantly confused from time to time, in trying to make productive use of your generous "free information". When I watched the Tom Tomasello Videos a while ago, for example, it is almost impossible to know what information I could use and what information did not fit with my hitter's profile. As I am sure you are aware, adding every promising looking piece of information to ones swing that one sees here, can throw a monkey wrench in your swing if you add the wrong piece. When I added Jeff Hull's dramatic downswing waggle for example, it didn't produce the benefits I was expecting. because I should have been performing that move slower. When I watched Ben Doyle's videos, I didn't initially know whether "drag the wet mop" is an idea that works for hitter's or only swingers? (Not to mention, Lynn Blakes, drag the wet mop video as well.)
Clearly there is no blanket solution to this problem. But I do think it might be possible for you to create a hitter's emblem, and a swingers emblem, and perhaps mark videos as they released as to whether they contain primarily swingers information, primarily hitter's information, or perhaps a mixture of the two.
In any event, this is a fantastic place to learn about golf, regardless of whether or not you chose to put my suggestion to work.
When I watched Ben Doyle's videos, I didn't initially know whether "drag the wet mop" is an idea that works for hitter's or only swingers? (Not to mention, Lynn Blakes, drag the wet mop video as well.)
R . . . The Drag the Wet Mop thingie is applicable to BOTH Drive Loaders and Drag Loaders . . . It is simply the feeling of "dead weight inertia" of Clubhead Lag and the load it puts on your Pressure Points regardless of the method used to accelerate the Lever Assemblies. You must nurse the Dragging the Mop feel regardless of your choice of CF or Muskle Powers. Below is the passage from 7-19 Lag Loading that speaks to the point.
The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure “Feel” is a deadweight inertia – exactly like dragging a wet mop through impact – constant Loading, constant direction. A careful nursing of the Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established by three different ways:
1. by resisting the Backstroke motion for Drive Loading
2. with the Start Down motion for Float Loading
3. by “throwing” the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading
Many thanks Bucket, that answers a question that has been puzzling me. I thought the word drag indicated it was for swingers, but clearly I was wrong. My point in mentioning "drag a wet mop" is that sometimes it can be a bit tricky to figure out who certain lessons would benefit... .
R . . . The Drag the Wet Mop thingie is applicable to BOTH Drive Loaders and Drag Loaders . . . It is simply the feeling of "dead weight inertia" of Clubhead Lag and the load it puts on your Pressure Points regardless of the method used to accelerate the Lever Assemblies. You must nurse the Dragging the Mop feel regardless of your choice of CF or Muskle Powers. Below is the passage from 7-19 Lag Loading that speaks to the point.
The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure “Feel” is a deadweight inertia – exactly like dragging a wet mop through impact – constant Loading, constant direction. A careful nursing of the Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established by three different ways:
1. by resisting the Backstroke motion for Drive Loading
2. with the Start Down motion for Float Loading
3. by “throwing” the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading
The lag pressure always has a Constant direction. Is this true regardless of the delivery path being used or length of the stroke ?
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