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Old 06-06-2009, 03:56 PM
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Roll On-Plane vs. Swivel
I think I got it right..... There must be Two Swivel Procedures. One for a Standard Wrist Action (Flat Left Wrist) and one for Double Wrist Action (Bent Left Wrist.

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Hinge Roll = Paddlewheel Closing to the Plane-Line of the Clubface by the Primary Lever (Left Wrist held Vertical to the Inclined Plane). Hitters

Swivel #1 = Clubhead Rotation when the Secondary Lever Rotates around the Longitudinal Center of the Left Arm using Forearm/Wrist Roll. Swingers Using Standard Wrist Action.

Swivel #2 = Clubhead Rotation when the Secondary Lever Rotates around the Longitudinal Center of the Secondary Lever Sweetspot Plane using Forearm/Wrist Roll. Swingers using Double Wrist Action.

Page 192, of the 7th Edition states:
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10-18-B Because though it increases Elbow Bend and Release Travel it destroys the Left Arm Flying Wedge and Leaves Clubface Alignment to Centrifugal Force (7-2) or to the Mandatory Frozen Right Wrist (7-3).
This is incorrect for a TWO reasons. The First reason is obvious. 10-2-B Decreases Release Travel. Saying that 10-2-B increases Elbow Bend is Gibberish. Wrist Action contributes to Elbow Location but Swing Plane (or Pattern-Hit or Swing) Controls Elbow Bend. The Second reason is because the Text assumes a Bent Right Wrist along with a Bent Left Wrist at the Top of the Backstroke. That can only occur if the Right Wrist is in a severely Cocked Geometry (Rolled at the Top) (That's why Homer Kelley said (in previous Editions) 10-2-B needs a reverse roll during the Downstroke). If so, then the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is destroyed as well, therefore, a frozen Right Wrist could not align the Clubface.

The correction would be Double Wrist Action with a Flat Right Wrist at the Top of the Backstroke to keep a Level Right Wrist. Then, Both Flying Wedges are regained (if ever lost because they never existed) as the Left Wrist Swivels to Flat and the Right Wrist Swivels to Bent during Release. This is an effective Anti Clubhead-Throw-Away Procedure.






Note About Low-Point: The top row of illustrations depict a Golfer standing upright with both arms extended and rotating his shoulders right and left. This is a Reference for the bent right arm illustrations below. The drawings illustrate that Low Point is determined, in part, by the Bent Right Arm. With Both Arms Straight, Lowpoint would be centered between the shoulders.

Therefore, a Golfer, with a Stationary Head location, who has straightened his Right Arm, before impact, even allowing for shaft lean, will contact the ground before contacting the ball (depends on ball location). This Golfer would need to move the Ball as far back in his stance as his Right Foot for a clean Strike. He will continue to do so until he learns to Bend his Left Elbow or Bend His Left Wrist to Compensate 1-L#32.
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:30 AM
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I think I got it right..... There must be Two Swivel Procedures. One for a Standard Wrist Action (Flat Left Wrist) and one for Double Wrist Action (Bent Left Wrist.

Definitions

Hinge Roll = Paddlewheel Closing to the Plane-Line of the Clubface by the Primary Lever (Left Wrist held Vertical to the Inclined Plane). Hitters

Swivel #1 = Clubhead Rotation when the Secondary Lever Rotates around the Longitudinal Center of the Left Arm using Forearm/Wrist Roll. Swingers Using Standard Wrist Action.

Swivel #2 = Clubhead Rotation when the Secondary Lever Rotates around the Longitudinal Center of the Secondary Lever Sweetspot Plane using Forearm/Wrist Roll. Swingers using Double Wrist Action.

Page 192, of the 7th Edition states:

This is incorrect for a couple of reasons. The First reason is obvious. 10-2-B decreases Release Travel. Saying that 10-2-B increases Elbow Bend is Gibberish. The Second reason is because the Text assumes a Bent Right Wrist with a Bent Left Wrist at the Top of the Backstroke. That can only occur if the Right Wrist is in a severely Cocked Geometry (Rolled at the Top) (That's why Homer Kelley said 10-2-B needs a reverse roll during the Downstroke). If so, then the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is destroyed as well, therefore, a frozen Right Wrist could not align the Clubface.

The correction would be Double Wrist Action with a Flat Right Wrist at the Top of the Backstroke to keep a Level Right Wrist. Then, Both Flying Wedges are regained (if ever lost because they never existed) as the Left Wrist Swivels to Flat and the Right Wrist Swivels to Bent during Release. This is an effective Anti-Clubhead Throw-Away Procedure.



Jiminy Christmas, Daryl.

Absent the present time to study and comment on the particulars, let me simply say . . .

What a post!

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:09 PM
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Doesn't the sequenced release result in both having 'type 1'?

Uncock then roll

Cool images, a very helpful perspective.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:03 PM
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Doesn't the sequenced release result in both having 'type 1'?

Uncock then roll

Cool images, a very helpful perspective.
Ahh. Procedure #1 is a Sequenced Release, but, Procedure #2 is a Simultaneous Release (using a Bent Left Wrist and Flat and Level Right Wrist).

Procedure #1 is status quo and includes nearly a 1/2 Roll of the Left Wrist from Release to Impact. The Double Wrist Uncocking, procedure #2, is a 3/4 Roll of the Left Wrist from Release to Impact.

Given an On-Plane Clubshaft during the Downstroke, it's not a simple Rolling of the Flat Left Wrist like a rotation around the left forearm as in Procedure #1.

I'm sure that it evolves into a Procedure #1 Roll after Impact, but before impact, the Flattening the the Left Wrist, simply moving from Bent to Flat, is Rolling around the Sweetspot on the Clubshaft. Because Uncocking and Roll occur Simultaneously from Release to Impact, they both rotate around the Sweetspot Plane.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Ahh. Procedure #1 is a Sequenced Release, but, Procedure #2 is a Simultaneous Release (using a Bent Left Wrist and Flat and Level Right Wrist).

Procedure #1 is status quo and includes nearly a 1/2 Roll of the Left Wrist from Release to Impact. The Double Wrist Uncocking, procedure #2, is a 3/4 Roll of the Left Wrist from Release to Impact.

Given an On-Plane Clubshaft during the Downstroke, it's not a simple Rolling of the Flat Left Wrist like a rotation around the left forearm as in Procedure #1.

I'm sure that it evolves into a Procedure #1 Roll after Impact, but before impact, the Flattening the the Left Wrist, simply moving from Bent to Flat, is Rolling around the Sweetspot on the Clubshaft. Because Uncocking and Roll occur Simultaneously from Release to Impact, they both rotate around the Sweetspot Plane.
Yep, that is where I thought you were going. A snap release/automatic.

BTW - in addition to the above discussion, the pics you posted are one of the best sets for explaining horizontal hinging for those that are still foggy.
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