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Old 08-17-2009, 10:58 AM
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extensor action flying wedge conflict
i noticed that if i apply extensor action by stetching down my left thumb using the pressure of pushing down on my right pressure point one my left flying wedge angle straightens.this shortens the head path i lose distance. should i be trying to keep a cock left wrist or the angle of the left hand flying wedge threw impact and when do i feel extensor action
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Old 08-17-2009, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by steven friedfertig View Post
i noticed that if i apply extensor action by stetching down my left thumb using the pressure of pushing down on my right pressure point one my left flying wedge angle straightens.this shortens the head path i lose distance. should i be trying to keep a cock left wrist or the angle of the left hand flying wedge threw impact and when do i feel extensor action
Great question Steven!

I believe we are taught to have a LEVEL left wrist at address, not cocked, not uncocked. The #3 accumulator is created not by cocking the left wrist at setup, but by the grips position in the left hand, under the heel pad, not through the middle of the hand. Extensor action is helpful to maintaing that level wrist position you are feeling at set up. Great structure.

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Old 08-17-2009, 09:05 PM
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You should feel extensor action from start-up until follow-through (both arms straight after impact). To me, it feels like I'm pushing the handle away from me during the entire stroke. It's a strange feeling at first, but it really gives the stroke some structure.

Here are a couple other extensor action "feels" for you to try (though not at the same time!)...

1) Feel like you pull your left arm straight using pressure point #3.

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2) Assume your address posture. Grab your left thumb with your right hand. Now start a backswing and feel like you pull gently on your left thumb, which in turn pulls your left arm straight.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:23 AM
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thank you .i am knew to all of this.but love it
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
Great question Steven!

I believe we are taught to have a LEVEL left wrist at address, not cocked, not uncocked. The #3 accumulator is created not by cocking the left wrist at setup, but by the grips position in the left hand, under the heel pad, not through the middle of the hand. Extensor action is helpful to maintaing that level wrist position you are feeling at set up. Great structure.

Kevin


Agreed. I think Steven is slightly mixing up the concepts of the Left Arm Flying Wedge and the #3 Accumulator Angle. The LAFW can be viewed from a straight on position (as opposed to down the line). An inline relationship between the club and left arm, as if a line ran up the top of the club shaft and up the left arm. This Alignment can be maintained when cocking and uncocking the left wrist. This is the #2 Power Accumulator. We start at Address with a level left wrist then cock it then go to fully uncocked (past level). This process of uncocking is not completed prior to contact , but rather at Follow Through , both arms straight. In this way some thrust is left for the ball, as is the case with all Power Accumulators. They dont go to fully inline or fully spent until Follow Through, both arms straight, past impact.

The #3 Accumulator Angle is viewed from down line , but does not preclude LAFW compliance. It is zeroed out by changing the left hand grip as we do when putting, or chipping if you so choose to deaden the send.

So in short, you gotta go from level at Address to cocked to back to level at Impact and then to fully uncocked at both arms straight. There is power there, lots of it too. Like a Hammering motion with your left hand. To lock this up is to Steer, one of G.O.L.F's Snares.

Extensor Action may seem like its counter to left wrist cocking but only if you are trying to actively cock you left wrist with your left wrist muscles. Using "The Magic of the Right Forearm" the bending right elbow will cock the left wrist automatically as one side of the Triangle (the right arm) shortens during the Backstroke. When you apply EA is a matter of personal preference. Typically during Startup for the Swinger employing a Lagging Takeway or at Impact Fix (Impact Address) for the Hitter employing a pure Carry Back Startup.

Stick with it, it'll pay off in the end and welcome.

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Old 08-19-2009, 02:27 AM
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How important is extensor action and how much pressure do you apply? The best session I ever had at the range was when I first ever applied it - but alas the next time I went it seemed to create problems. Now I sometimes apply it and get mixed results. Is it better to do drills using extensor action and then not think about it while hitting shots? Or is it recommended for actual shots?
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:39 PM
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Hey Teddy

I love Italy. Welcome. Keep the EA. The left arm is a string, the right elbow is Magical. You'll never understand this unless you are using EA. Keep researching.

Ciao
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:06 AM
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Hey Teddy

I love Italy. Welcome. Keep the EA. The left arm is a string, the right elbow is Magical. You'll never understand this unless you are using EA. Keep researching.

Ciao
Hey O.B. I love Italy too which is why I moved here
However, TGM instructors simply don't exist
So forums like this one are the best I can do.

Yeah I understand about the right elbow now. When I was on vacation recently I did the drill with a piece of string replacing the left arm and using extensor action on it. Then I went to play 9 holes and played great - not sure how much EA was the cause but it seemed to be. Sometimes though I think I over-do it.
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TeddyIrons View Post
Hey O.B. I love Italy too which is why I moved here
However, TGM instructors simply don't exist
So forums like this one are the best I can do.

Yeah I understand about the right elbow now. When I was on vacation recently I did the drill with a piece of string replacing the left arm and using extensor action on it. Then I went to play 9 holes and played great - not sure how much EA was the cause but it seemed to be. Sometimes though I think I over-do it.

Hard to say what is happening without seeing video. But it sounds like you are "running out of right arm" maybe. EA is a constant effort on the part of the right elbow to straighten the right arm, if you actually do get it straight , too early, then its trouble. The string drill quickly displays how the shoulders have to work to have lots of bent right arm left for impact. In short, the right shoulder needs to take the bent right arm down to the ball before the right arm extends. Homer wanted us to feel like we hit the ball with our right shoulder. He wanted us to extend our right arms actively (hitting) or passively (swinging) while maintaining the impact fix degree of right hand bend........the right sides version of the flat left wrist. But I digress.

The string is an amazing drill that is often ignored. Being Canadian I use a hockey skate lace. Its still always slipping off my shoulder though, Im thinking of making a harness arrangement , golf bra if you will.

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Old 08-20-2009, 07:13 PM
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Being Canadian I use a hockey skate lace. Its still always slipping off my shoulder though, Im thinking of making a harness arrangement , golf bra if you will.[/QUOTE]

You Canadian's are always thinking. The bra should work well with your hockey sock garters!
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