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Old 01-25-2005, 10:59 PM
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6-M-1 Increase overlap vs. Decrease Overlap
6-M-1 "Increase Overlap vs. Decrease Overllap"
Yoda,
Please discuss the concept of overlap to our young jedi warriors. Even a long lost jedi like myself could use a "refresher from the wisdom of the force" Power Package release is #4, #1, #2, #3 regardless of which ones are employed. Any Accumulator number may overlap or replace its preceding number but cannot precede it . Increase Overlap to increase Thrust - decrease Overlap to increase Velocity. Please give us a "visual " of this concept being applied by the some of the "masters" on the PGA tour.

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Old 01-29-2005, 05:17 PM
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Hey.
Can someone help me out here? ...with Increase Overlap - Increase Thrust vs. Decrease Overlap - Increases Velocity.... I kinda got an idea... I need validation and perhaps some pictures. I would love to hear Master Yoda's take on this matter....He understand's the ways of the Force!!!!

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Old 01-29-2005, 09:54 PM
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Since Yoda hasn't jumped in yet, here's my take. Overlapping the accumulators and the increased thrust gives the advantage of better separation velocity. Sequencing gives the advantage of better Impact velo. Now the ball gets 70% of Impact velo, but 100% of separation velo. It's also a fact that the best possible separation velo is 80% of Impact velo. So let's look at Hank Kuehne's numbers - 127 mph Impact speed and 183 mph ball speed. The ball gets 70% of the Impact velo = 89 mph, so the separation speed is 183-89=94 mph. That's 74% of the Impact speed, so that's not bad since the max possible would be 80% of 127 = 102 mph. But let's assume that someone has an Impact speed of "only" 120 mph. If he could get the max separation speed of 80% of 120 = 96 mph, that would give him a ball speed of 70% of 120 = 84 + 96 = 180, which is only 3 mph less than Hank.

Moral of the story is that even if you can't match someone's swing speed, you might be able to stay up with him by maximizing separation velo, and one step toward that is overlapping accumulators.
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:51 AM
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Mizuno Joe,
Thanks for your response... I need time to digest....I'll be back on this in a few days!!! Enjoying your posts ...keep em comin' ....Learning went from a slow drippin faucet to Niagara Falls....Need to dry off! I wasn't even in the right area code on overlap!!!!

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Old 01-30-2005, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Hey.
Can someone help me out here? ...with Increase Overlap - Increase Thrust vs. Decrease Overlap - Increases Velocity.... I kinda got an idea... I need validation and perhaps some pictures. I would love to hear Master Yoda's take on this matter....He understand's the ways of the Force!!!!

Annikan
Annikan,

Increase overlap = Simultaneous release; slower start down, more thrust NEEDED to stay ahead of centrifugal force.

Decrease overlap = sequenced release; quick start down; maintenance of centrifugal acceleration.

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Old 01-30-2005, 02:00 PM
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EC,

It's my interpretation of TGM that overlapping gives added thrust as an EFFECT. For example, in a pure swing, how would you add "thrust" other than simply overlapping accumulators? Maybe you're thinking that overlapping is only a Hitting Procedure?
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:55 PM
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EC,

It's my interpretation of TGM that overlapping gives added thrust as an EFFECT. For example, in a pure swing, how would you add "thrust" other than simply overlapping accumulators? Maybe you're thinking that overlapping is only a Hitting Procedure?
Joe,

No wonder they named a brand of clubs after you! Seriously, I think that you are one of THE most astute contributors on this (and other) forum(s).

In my opinion, useful overlapping is decidedly biased toward hitting , and in swinging, toward the somewhat controversial 4-barrel pattern. I will neither defend nor condemn the latter due to both a lack of time and a lack of definitive information. This thread was started by Annikan Skywalker who I urged to join the forum and to directly address his questions on this topic to Yoda. Hopefully, his return will clear the fog for us all!

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Old 01-30-2005, 05:07 PM
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EC,

I confess that I wouldn't know that overlapping can be done in a Swinging stroke, except for actually having done it. I think you're correct in saying that overlapping is usually a Hitter's technique, and I too will be interested in what Yoda has to say about it.
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would you agree that more overlap tends toward 'pivot control' and less overlap tends toward 'hands control'?

In a general sense of course, these would be the extremes.
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EdZ,

Seems to me that a Pivot Control stroke would be a pure Swing, and with it's Auto Flip Release, CF would give a sequenced release of #2 and #3. My version of the overlapped Swing was a Hand Manipulated Swing in which the uncocking and roll started at release using a standard weak grip.
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