The position as best I can describe it is; At setup you will feel balanced 50/50 between the feet but...you will feel the upper quadriceps in your left leg pushing down on the ground as though you were attempting to level a mound of dirt under your left foot. You will feel "decidedly leftward".
From that position, you should feel like you can launch yourself into a full sprint targetward if you wished. That is your address feel. Think of Ben Hogan and review the video on this site to get the look of it. There is not much perceptable change in weight shift, in fact you can get the feel without a club by taking your address position as described above and simply raising your right hand into an "oath" position, parallel to the plane line about 4 inches behind your squared right shoulder (at address, you are actually taking your right hand to the turned shoulder location). Your left knee will need to flex a bit and your rear-end will rotate targetward to get the right hand there. It's OK to let the right knee straighten but not lock as you turn. (An Option) For many conditioned in pop instruction, this may feel like a reverse pivot but it isn't because your weight isn't shifted to your left foot on the backstroke and right foot on the downstroke. It is quite the opposite.
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These seemingly small changes make a big difference.
Bagger
Thanks Bagger!.... Although we didn't really get time to work on it, Lynn pointed out the slight lean back of the front knee and the back hip action to get it clear (your rear-end to target). I knew I was overdoing the shift forward. I went through (7-12) and the (9-1) series, but hadn't drilled down yet. Thanks for your 'feel' images, too.
4 barrel Hitter!? They must be rarer than hen's teeth. If you can do it, go for it! I caught a photo of Ted's swing (4 barrel Hitter) with his hands just 10 or 12 inches below his set at Top. His hand speed was already outrunning my shutter speed. I didn't expect that from the Hitter's steadily increasing move to forearm thrust. (I would expect it from the Swinger's "quickish" initiation). Accumulator's #1,2,3 are far from spent at that point in his swing. So I'm suspicious of the #4. It's the combination of the #1 and #4 in the same Stroke, that sets the 4 barrel apart.
I don't want to jack this thread, but maybe you could explain your sequencing of the Accumulators sometime for us 4 barrel challenged.
I remember from earlier posts (when you guys talked about getting together during Masters week) that you mentioned about doing a long drive comp between you guys and Luke the Nuke...wondering if you did this and would you be willing to share the results?!?
Keith
Here's how it worked out.
We were in the bays due to the wet weather and I was working on my hitting stroke with the driver. I busted a few that carried as far as my normal swing, about 280 carry. Ted quickly walked over from nowhere with a big grin on his face and said "It's time for the long drive show".
He quickly walked into my bay, no warmup swing.
He hit a guided missle to the back of the range and just over the fence, at least 30 to 40 yards past me. The smile never left his face and he said in typical Ted Fort fashion, "There you go". I dropped my driver, stretched out both arms and bowed repeatedly. He left as quickly as he came in, leaving me in a silent stupor.
I haven't taken hitting to the course yet, but I'll let you know how it works out.
Humbly Yours,
Bagger
Bagger loads for 4-barrel hitting and knows how to deliver it! I was amazed how he just "flipped a switch" and started hitting so well. Yoda also got him on video swinging and hitting and confirmed each motion was being done properly. The man has options!
Thanks for your description of your "feel" at setup for hitting. I finally was able to get out this weekend for the first time (YEAH!) and my results were inconsistent, but it's early. I was on my way to post in the Hitters Emergency section but came across your post on the way there. After reading your description I realize I WAS putting too much weight on my left side at address and was probably doing a reverse pivot. Almost felt like I couldn't get back to the ball. Hope to hit the range after office hours and do it right. Thanks for your post. Still trying to lift the fog--then again, I'm the guy who predicted Tiger would miss the cut in the Masters. It may take a while, but I'm NOT giving up! Have fun everybody. Dr. Dave
Thanks for your description of your "feel" at setup for hitting.
Dr. Dave
Dr. Dave,
It is a very powerful set up position. Ted told me that after a long practice session, his left quad is sore from the workout. In reality both left and right quads are engaged. As you allow the hips to turn by the motion of the right hand, your weight will shift slightly off the left side to the right but don't overdo it, it can quickly turn into a sway if you aren't careful. It is the hips turning by the motion of the right arm which is a hand controlled pivot. The hip turn will shift the weight if done properly.
It is used for hitting and swinging by the way. The only difference is the downstroke hip motion differs between hitting and swinging. Hitting is a crossline hip motion because hitter is using the Angle of Approach procedure whereas swingers will shift parallel to the plane line for their Arc of Approach procedure. It is the hands that control the hip action.
Poor little ball, it didn't do anything wrong...
But hey...this is the lounge and I'm getting way to deep. Where can I get a diet coke around here?
This pivot change actually was made in Yoda's living room the last night I was in town....haven't hit a ball yet...but will give full report soon!
OK...just back from the range and a little video taping. I was working on getting the right forearm on plane at address and the new pivot. The right forearm is looking much better. The pivot is looking and feeling pretty good...but I still have a ways to go. I look fine but then try to take the club back just a bit too far and that pulls my head off just a bit. It's moving about 3-4 inches back at the top.....before it was moving 8-10 inches.
Next session: Shorten the swing....apply better extensor action....full report tomorrow.
1. Pivot. My old "turn" was to turn my shoulders back and load up my right leg with about 90% of my weight. This was causing me to go inside and sway. My new pivot is to start with more weight on my left side and to let the left knee dip a bit. There is still a good bit of weight on my left side at the top - much more than before. I used to think this was a reverse pivot but Yoda convinced me otherwise. This is going to allow me to get the club in a much better position.
How many people turn the shoulders the incorrect way?. Thus a bad pivot.
As many people that can't return the forearm to the place where it started at address. Thats how many.
It happened to me until I got the correct feel of the turn. Grab a club and place it on your side (righty golfer - grip handle on your left side. Now set up and put your hands on the shaft and down towards the club head. Now make a shoulder turn while keeping the side of the club still attached to your side. Once you get that feel of the shoulders and pivot (yes it feels like a reverse pivot) you now have a solid foundation to build on........
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